This Backlink Banzai review is LONG overdue, but I finally figured out a way to test out a service in such a way as to make it prove itself as a hands-down quality service for a certain kind of website, and for certain kinds of keywords.
Brief update on some things, and some myths and stuff…
- Google hates MFAs ((Made For ads(ense) Sites)) and micro-niche mini-sites, right?
- Google is looking for continually updated content on sites in order to give them “love” right?
Well, not necessarily.
Here’s what I did for this Backlink Banzai review:
I went back to my old bad? habits of building micro-niche mini-sites, but this time, I focused on TRUE micro-niches.. meaning that the keywords were close to 1000 exact match and that exact match domains were available in .com, /net. or .org (we chose not to use the other domain extensions).
The fact that keyword volume is low and that EMDs were available indicates that competition is indeed sort of low…
So, I used this service to rank EMDs for low competition terms, and that’s Sooo not a big deal right?
Yes and no… because if Google hates these built for Adsense sites, and are cracking down on these MFAs, then it’s actually a bit of a struggle to get hated sites ranked, unless you employ proper link building techniques, tactics, strategies, whatever….
So, I bought 5 or 6 of these MFA sites from a forum, then the seller did the keyword research, suggested possible domain names, I chose them, registered them, and then they build the content and the sites for me and I FTP-ed them up to the domain.
Now sites are built and waiting for backlinks…
I built backlinks to the main pages of these sites and did for for about 1 month, with a lot of bouncing around in the SERPs.
I even employed this services’ suggestion to include anchor text in a certain percentage of the backlinks obtained and still didn’t see good results, or results that I’d expect as far as ranking a fairly low competition term.
Then month 2 started and the owner suggested that I built backlinks to all the urls on the site, not just the main domain url, and yes I should have known better, but I was lazy, busy, dumb (pick one)…
So month 2 starts, with me NOW building backlinks the right way, as far as building backlinks ot mini-sites are concerned…
And yesterday I saw a little bit of an Adsense earnings uptick and lo and behold, those sites are all ranking very nicely, some are #3, some are lower than that, but almost all of them are page 1.
The websites I used Backlink Banzai to build backlinks to, but aren’t page 1?
Those are the ones I didn’t deep link to, therefore it proves to me that I’m an idiot for ignoring the guidelines that Backlink Banzai set forth in users’ back offices suggesting they/we adopt certain linking strategies…
Even Google says in some of their suggested best practices that webmasters build backlinks to all urls on their sites, not just do what most people do, which is predominantly building backlinks to the home page.
Anyhow, this service is TOTALLY hands-off, hands-free, whatever you want to call it, and it works well
Not much more to say than that, really
Update, one more thing: You get 20 SLOTS with a regular account and each slot can target one url, but multiple kws, which is not how i used this, but probably should have. so, you can target in a set-and-forget manner 20 urls, with multiple keywords and search phrases being targeted per url, hope that’s clear, sorry for this important omission
Check it out Backlink Banzai here via aff link please
Thanks,
Dan
P.S. Update: I will be testing this service out for more competitive keywords, and will have a part 2 review on that in a few months or so. Get this service if you need hands-off, hands-free rankings for medium to long-tail terms. It MAY work for more competitive terms, and probably WILL, but my review, my Positive review is based merely on the keywords and stated competition levels
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No… We don’t use the networks you’ve listed, but remember that many of these post to some of the same sites as everyone else. If a blog is allowing submissions, it could also be taking them from UAW for instance.
We’re nothing to do with that guy on WF; so there’s no confusion.
No: No reports; that’s been answered quite comprehensively in the comments above.
Thanks!
Do you guys own any of the properties being posted to? What all types of sites do you submit to? Blogs, Article Directories, Pligg Sites, what?
We’re not an owned blog network; if that’s what you’re asking. Our site clearly states:
“…a massive network of public article directories, blogs and general information sites…
We clean and update this site-list daily, removing sites that aren’t performing – and adding new ones to keep it fresh.”
Hey folks, and Backlink Banzai review readers… There’s been so many comments on this particular post that a second comments page has been created. To read more of the comments click the Previous Comments link above and below this comment reply, thanks Dan
I’m using 14 slots for 4 sites. 3 to 5 slots for each site. Am I spreading myself too thin?
That depends on the results basically
For most users, Banzai provides the perfect ‘background’ linking program. I reckon the optimum setup for an account would 4-5 domains with 4-5 URLs each.
Obviously you can push more per slot by reducing the number of slots used or increase the weighting by doubling up on slots, but the very best use for Banzai, since it’s automated, is for creating that constant drip-drip link velocity to a site across several URLs. And for massively increasing the diversity of links into your sites as well.
Best advice is always to start spreading it a little thinner than maybe you’d like, and then ramp up the intensity. This is always the best advice with any type of link building; no matter what the method/system.
Just signed up for this and put 4 sites in. Looks good. I do have a quick question for the owner though. I have 15 different niche sites that I will eventually want to put in, if it seems to be working well on my initial batch of sites. Will there be any way just buy more slots or expand my current account, without the need to buy another account or two?
Sorry James… The only way we can expand your slot allowance is through extra accounts. But you can have extra accounts through the same PayPal address/account. Please remember to use Dan’s link so he get’s the credit for the recommendation.
I’ve read all the comments here and it looks so far so good. I have some non-english sites and the keywords are in cyrilic. Can I add those too or should everything be in latin letters?
Thanks
You can’t use accented non-standard characters, as they don’t display correctly in UTF-8, which is used by mist english speaking sites.
I only use UTF-8 on my sites so my question would be do you support UTF-8 non latin characters?
Thanks
We only support standard UK a-z, A-Z, 0-9 and hyphens (-) for anchor text. Sorry!
Hi,
been using this for a few weeks now and im seeing movement for my inner pages im only using banklink banzai to rank this site. My question is im wanting to get my main keyword further up the ranking as im getting a lot of impression but not a lot of click throughs maybe because its number 10. what would you advise i do to push this up the first page??
Get a few high PR backlinks. If you are already at number 10, shouldn’t need many. Try a reputable fiverr.com gig, then get the links indexed.
IMPORTANT UPDATE (27th Feb 2012)
Google’s most recent update, a few weeks ago, seems to be coming down VERY hard on exact-match over-optimised linking, and on over-linking to the home-page. It’s the same story we’ve been telling for years, but it seems they’ve just upped the ante yet again…
PLEASE make sure that you’re deep-linking throughout your site (and you really should use all 20 slots to spread the links around.) Also, you need to make sure you’re not pushing too many slots at the home-page (if you use multiple slots for this) and ensure you enter multiple keyword terms for each and every page, to help reduce the possibility of over-optimisation. Everyone should also keep the “Naturalisation” option on maximum now (67%), to further help ‘grey’ the line of your anchor profile.
Google seems to be looking back over years of back-linking. We’ve seen sites that are now being penalised for over-optimised links built in 2009-2010. Anyone experiencing penalties from over-optimised links needs to look at de-optimising their pages slightly (adding words to the page-title and H tags etc. and extending the length of the titles) and using a wider range of anchors terms to those pages. In some cases, using completely different side-keyword anchors to help de-optimise the main anchors may be necessary.
Everyone also needs to be making sure that their pages have sensible/low keyword densities. If you have pages that have high keyword densities, this can further increase the chances of over-optimisation penalties.
As always, there are no hard-and-fast rules, and it’s still way too early to be getting a read on the most recent algo changes. But the above issues are showing as a common denominator around the industry.
I experienced this update around the 19th of Feb. Just 1 day after I subscribed to BacklinkBanzai. I’m not sure if it is a coincidence but the day after I added my sites to BacklinkBanzai, I got penalized -30 positions on most of my top keywords.
This affected 2 sites which has been ranking for the multiple keywords. I’ve only used 1 position each in backlink banzai for the 2 sites
They dropped from #1 position to over #30. These keywords have been #1 for more than a year! I’ve not done any backlinking to these sites except trying out BacklinkBanzai on the 18th.
To BacklinkBanzai admin: Are you experiencing this on your sites? Where did you get the information on Google’s latest algo change in Feb?
First, common sense dictates that this can’t be as a result of the Banzai system. 1 day afterwards would have mean we’d have posisbly done 1 link-building batch of 40-60 content-based links, and it takes days-weeks for Google to even find these links and spider them.
If you’ve only used 1 position each, it’s statistically unlilely that we even built any links for those pages, as we can’t build for every page, every day; and even if we did, that would mean 2-3 links each.
No. We’re not experiencing this on any of our sites, and we use the system ourselves; we have 90 accounts for our own use. But then we’ve had most of our sites for a long-time and we’ve spent years establishing steady link-velocities; something which makes a huge difference. We’ve also only ever operated a widely diverse link-building campaign. We’ve had the advantage of strong SEO & systems knowledge since 2004.
We do a massive amount of SEO work outside of Banzai. Banzai is just the ‘consumer’ part of the business, and we work with many successful SEO’s around the world. And I mean ‘real’ SEO’s who run large systems and do a lot of empirical testing and analysis; that’s where our information comes from. Obviously, you can choose to ignore it, but may forums are talking about the recent updates and how it’s particularly affected sites with over home-page linking and over-optimisation. We’ve seen it on hundreds of sites belonging to customers. Many are being penalised for links built years ago by ScrapeBox etc; where far too many links were created with optimised anchors etc.
We’re not Google; we can’t know what they’re doing. But we can make assessments based on empirical data and testing.
Run a link report from Market Samurai or similar and check out your anchor distribution etc. If you see a predominance of home-page links and a heavy use of exact anchors, then this is probably the cause.
Obviously, you can choose to accept out information or reject it. Any good SEO should do their own testing and measuring. But we have the advantage of the kind of scale of data that most can only dream of; and we don’t make statements blindly. We’re only trying to help people avoid problems. It’s up to you. You can blame us, cancel and move on with your own link building efforts, or you can stick with it and look at your strategy. Our system isn’t a strategy. It’s a link-building system. It can offer ways of reducing over-optimisation, but people can also turn these off and they could fill all their slots with the home-page of an EMD with a single anchor. We don’t tell people how to do their SEO. We provide masses of on-site guidance, but we can’t enforce that. We allow people to use the system in the way they wish; as there’s no way we can know all the factors of your link-building efforts – that’s your business and responsibility.
We try to provide as much information on SEO and the correct way of doing things as possible. I don’t think anyone can argue that our site contains more in-depth SEO tutorials and info than any other system out there; but we can only offer advice and lead people. We can’t do their SEO strategising for them, and we can’t possibly understand everyone’s sites and what kind of linking profiles they have.
I’d say that you’re probably experiencing some sort of bounce from some previous ranking effect. Don’t forget that when Google changes something, it then uses all it’s historical data to create the new effect. So if they make a change on something like this, then all the links in their history are being called into the model.
Terry Kyle, the guy who started this whole Contextual Home Page Backlinks craze has said that he suffered from massive deindexing and quite a few sites got penalized because of that. He says it’s no longer even sustainable for him to offer that service anymore.
I noticed that my competitors who were using HPBL are gone now and my 2 sites that I had used it for in the past few months have dropped down considerably as well.
If you got a penalty like that I don’t think it’s from this service.
Firstly I’d like to concur about the over-optimisation penalty. I run a variety of sites across several Niches and pretty sure I’ve been sadly mis-informed by hitting some of my site home pages with too many exact match terms in the past. As a result I’ve seen sites drop from Page 1 to Page 5 and lower in the last few weeks. Live and learn and that’s why I’m excited about Backlink Banzai and the ‘amazing’ amount of SEO advice coming from Jay. (If you are not reading this thread 2-3 times and taking notes then you deserve to be slapped hard around the head
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And a question for Jay that I’m sure would interest many. In terms of the content that you build, which I understand does not need to be themed to your Niche and is ‘heavily’ spun, is it still:
a) a readable quality
b) based on your reply to a) lets just say I want to build 20 Web 2.0 properties (Which I will backlink using Backlink Banzai) which are linking to a Finance related site, then am I correct that I should also vary the content theme of each of my 20 Web 2.0 properties i.e. NOT all of them should contain Finance content e.g. 10 properties are Finance related and the other 10 are on other general topics.
And should I avoid badly spun content on the 20 properties too?
I hope all that made sense!
Thanks for the comments Paul… It’s appreciated!
a) Yes. We never do content marketing with anything less than proper English content. I’m not saying that the articles need to be at ‘site’ quality (they don’t) but they need to read well and should be obviously written by a native English-speaking author. We always use 450-700 words – so a decent length as well. We also purposely use small paragraphs, so we can mix them more easily. This tends to make them very easy to read as they’re well broken up. We typically have around 3-5 thousand paragraphs on around 80 subjects. And each paragraph is spun in a variety of ways also. That is our base content library, but we’re buying content and spun structures constantly.
b) Generally, because of the volumes of 2.0′s that MOST people will generate (10-100) I would use on-theme content covering as wide an array of side/ancilliary subjects as I could get my hands on. IF you were building 1000′s then you start to need to use wider subject ranges to avoid an obvious footprint. You want to put time and effort into 2.0′s and treat them as mini-sites to some extent. I would use a quality of content that AT LEAST matches article quality – but higher if possible. Somewhere between site quality and article quality is the ideal position. So Yes… Avoid badly spun content altogether. The art of getting 2.0′s to ‘stick’ is to try and create personal ‘spaces’ that seem like an enthusiast is ‘indulging’ his hobby. It also makes the odd link seem more natural.
AutoSpinning should ONLY be used to add spintax to a construct, on the basis that you then go back and edit it afterwards. i.e. as a time-saving device for the usual adjective/adverb synonynms etc.
You can gather from all this that I firmly believe your very best quality content should be reserved for your own sites!
Multiple networks have been taken down, here is just another one that had to close their services. elitelinknetwork
They have 100s of sites get de-indexed every now and then, and just build more… Are you saying they no longer offer up any kind of service?
Check out the video that Terry Kyle had on the subject (I link to it as my website). If he’s willing to give up and lose all his homepagebacklinks.com customers then it’s pretty much dead. I’ve never seen anything like that before.
Thanks for the link, HPBLs aren’t dead far from it, it’s just the ones sold on forums to massive amounts of people, with footprints, HIGH OBLs, poor inbound link juice to the domains, etc…. it’s those that are getting squashed. HighPRLinkJuice.com customers aren’t complaining
Yeah, but your service has very few outbound links. That’s not the normal MO for these kinds of services.
The “big dogs” got hit hard. The ones that “did everything right”. Not just the little guys who didn’t watch out for footprints.
HPBL for the masses is pretty much dead. Very few people can provide the kind of service that you are providing now.
Thanks Jay for such a comprehensive reply. I’m not sure why I was so surprised as you have been very open with your help and advice so far. And just so I understand fully when you said “I would use on-theme content covering as wide an array of side/ancilliary subjects” does that mean if my site was about Loans that I should be using side/ancillary subjects such as debt help/mortgages/credit cards etc on my Web 2.0 properties or is it imperative I cast my Web 2.0 ancillary ‘subject’ net to be even more varied e.g. car insurance or new car purchases, and from those sites a loan related anchor text link would still look ‘natural’ as someone insuring or buying a car could be looking for a loan.
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That’s the last question from me
I can’t get too off-topic or Dan will shout at me…
Simply use ancilliary content that you can ‘relate’ to your subject; in the sense that a link would make ‘sense’. The examples you give are perfect; and the net can be as ‘wide’ as makes sense from a connected link. Remember, links don’t have to be on-topic to the pages content, but with 2.0′s you really want to make sure they last, and the quickest way of getting 2.0′s deleted is going off-topic with linking: Some 2.0 sites are VERY aggressive with deleting!
I would just like to say thank you Jay for time , patience and so much useful SEO advice’s
Of course thanks to Dan’s great blog thumbs up
Now Backlink Banzai promises 1000 submissions per month or 1000 links?
We call them submissions rather than links, as there are no guarantees of permanency on any site that we don’t own. But it works in our favour, as since we don’t own the majority of these sites and assets, we can’t get hit by deindexing like the networks do. (We’re losing and replacing sites constantly, and we have thousands.) But these are all sites that we obtain continual succesful submissions from; they’re not just ‘shots across the bough’! It would be highly inefficient for us to have to waste a large percentage of submissions, so we’re always testing, culling and building the DB.
We actually do well over 1,000 per member, to make sure that over 1,000 stick, but we don’t get into this on the site, because it’s a level of detail about operations that’s not necessary. e.g. For the last 7 days, we’ve been running at an average of just over 61 submissions per slot; which equates to around 1,300 this month (21 working days).
100% Naturalisation Option Added For Panda 3.3…
With the massive increase in keyword optimisation penalties following the Panda updates of early 2012, we’ve decided to offer the option of 100% Naturalisation. Selecting 100% will take the keywords that you input (and you should provide as many as possible) and further extend them out randomly to create many more variations. It will do this for 50% of the anchors we create. 25% will be created with random ‘generic’ terms and 25% will use the root domain URL.
We have many members who’ve requested this option as they’re also using other systems which don’t provide any means of mixing up their anchors, so using our system at 100% will help compensate for other systems that are over-optimising your keyword link-profile.
Many members are also de-optimising their on-page factors slightly, to help with the process, by adding words in front of their page titles (often a company or brand name) and header tags. This pushes keywords away from the 1st word, which has the most power. Adding words to the length of the title also helps to reduce the keyword density of that title. You should also avoid high (3-5%+) keyword densities in your body content.
These are good points here, and a good add on your end Jay, thanks.
This is where SEO Copywriting can come into play folks!
Instead of the overly optimized and somewhat boring titles like;
Dog Collars,
Dog Collars Reviewed
You should be trying to do something like,
The truth about dog collars,
Finding the best Dog Collars
or
In depth comprehensive reviews on Dog Collars
It’s a known FACT that good seo copywriting will
1- get a lower ranked search result more clicks (due to the catchy title)
2- end up raising the rankings on that url due to its click popularity (data that Google sees and ascertains that more clicks on a search result url = better content, which begets better quality content in their eyes)
You said that Backlink Banzai is good for niche / mini-sites. Will it be usefull for e-commerce sites?
Hi Vincent, I don’t see why not, a site is a site is a site
I’ve been reading all the comments on this article and I have to add that Jay is one of the most balanced and helpful persons I met (along with Daniel). Hats off for you and your work!
I don’t think I will try BB personally (yet) as I have sites in niches I am passionate about (history and geography mostly) and that is not well paying. I just can’t get to the next level to create sites for a living only. Simply, I can’t work on something if I can’t feel it, so my sites would not be worth including probably. Although I am sure I will give it a go once I will be able to work on productive niches too (and I hope that will be asap).
Until now my main link building technique for a history site of mine was to email professors and other sites about broken links on their site and asking for a link back (this way I got even a PR6 .edu backlink) but I wouldn’t recommend this technique to anyone as it is too time consuming (Daniel will get a headache just for thinking about how time consuming this is).
But I thought about an idea, and I would like to ask Jay about this. I personally do not like web 2.0’s that much and I think (from personal experience) that a guest blog post on a good site is worth more. And I think if I will use your service, I would point the campaigns on those guest articles too (for bigger diversity as that is always good long term and would maybe point them to places where I get natural links from).
Also, maybe one suggestion to Jay regarding link diversity. I saw that when I asked for links through my method, many times I got deep links with the anchor as my domain name. And I saw that branding is important in diversifying links. And since you take a safe stance on things (kudos for that), I think you could add this too.
I guess you are very busy, but I would love to chat with you for 10 minutes once as I have another suggestion regarding content that I would not be comfortable to share in public. So, if you want, let me know.
Alex
Thanks for your comments!
First, we suggest using any other authority page as a pass-through site, not just 2.0s so your other good link-back pages would be ideal, especially as these are pretty much permanent backlinks.
And regarding using domain anchors for branding; the system has already been doing that for 4 years as part of the Naturalisation option to avoid over-optimisation. You’ll see we talk about it in our SEO Basics page and FAQs. It uses mixed/extended anchors, URL/brand anchors and generic ones too for maximum anchor diversity.
Thanks for your input though, and good luck with your sites. As you say, if you’re not trying to make money out of your online activity, then there’s not a lot of point in spending money to increase rankings!
Hi all,
I have recently signed up to BB. (2 weeks ago) Even though there are a lot of very positive comments here, there doesn’t seem to be a lot of feedback about if many people have actually seen their rankings get to page 1 ? (I saw Dan had positive testing with BB but anyone else like to back this up??)
Hey Matt, I posed the review almost a month ago, and some people reported back with positive feedback, but BB takes at least 1 month to 2 months to see results, and when you add in the fact that Panda 3.3 did a lot of people some SERPs damage, I don’t expect any positive feedback for a while now, maybe 1 month from now.
I just wanted to give a quick reminder about how we work, so everyone’s quite clear on what to expect…
1. Please don’t expect big/quick jumps in ranking.
We’re all about drip-feeding quality content-based links over time. There are plenty of service that promise fast/big results; we’re not one of them. We’re in ‘for the long haul’. The whole point of the system is gradual & diverse link-building on automatic pilot, to create lasting and strong results that resist many of the problems of fast/immediate growth. It’s also the perfect background linking so that after a few months, you can get more aggressive with point-load SEO if you wish.
2. We purposely spread your linking over the entire month.
Your link-building is fully spread over the full month. We’ve had a number of emails recently (not from you folks I might add!) that seemed to think that all 1000+ content links were going to be built the day after they joined. This would be very bad SEO! We create links to EVERY account EVERY working day; it’s a real drip-fest!
A lot of the sites we submit to won’t give ping/track-backs, and we DON’T force indexing at the start. We now allow natural indexing for a month, to allow links to age, before we start ‘encouraging’ them. Many of them get found naturaly with the 2nd tier linking. So don’t be surprised if it takes time and offers more gradual growth. This results in far stronger rankings.
We specifically created the system this way, so it’s safe for long-term, unattended use. Post panda, it’s getting increasingly clear that fast success usually ends up as short term success. Think about your SEO as the long-haul; do it properly and yield long-term results for yourself.
Daniel is it better to target 1 site using 20 slots or 4 using 20 (5 each)?
You should read the FAQs thoroughly, and also the SEO Basics page as they’ve been recently updated to reflect the new Panda 3.3 results as well as other observations over the last 6 months since Panda 3.1 & 3.2.
Spreading your links over more domains is getting wiser than ever, as is using any kind of high authority buffer site like 2.0s. I know I’ve often stated that I consider optimal use to be 4/5 domains with 4/5 pages. Try to use all 20 slots and use them to link DEEP, and of course, use as many anchor variances as you can come up with.
I have several sites that are a few years old — most were hit in December HARD due to my own over aggressiveness. That said, I’m looking to jump start my efforts again with new programs rather than over-using those I already have.
For 1000 links completely automated, for $67 a month, I might create an account for each site I own. I’ll try 1 or 2 and if I see improvements after awhile, each site will get its own account. Thanks for the review Dan! -Just Signed Up!
-Sean
Start out with a variety of domains in your account, to get the sites used to a constant link velocity again. If you don’t have very many, use 2.0′s as we’ve mentioned several times before.
Post panda 3.3, I’d advise against using an entire account for direct-linking one site, unless it’s used to some strong and consistent link-building.
Did this service provide evidence that it worked to bring back penalized/pandalized websites at least in some cases?
Want to sign up, but would like to know how much i can expect from it.
I can also offer a panda 3.3 hit website as a trial here. If it works, I guess the service will get a flood of hit websites… interested?
You won’t see evidence like that for many months…
Penalised sites can take many months to come back – I’ve waited for over 6 months in some case; which is why I’ve always stated that you should only be attempting this if the site’s really worth saving. And that’s assuming of course that Google stands still – which it won’t. There’ll be more updates during that time to further complicate matters.
ANY constant flow of content-based deep linking which also diversifies the link profile can help with penalisation recovery; but whether it’s enough to completely solve the problem is another question altogether. You may need to look at site change as well – and we’ve discussed these before.
Honestly? At worst, it’s a long-shot, and at best it’s still only a chance. I’d certainly never claim that we’re a service to solve penalisation issues, as there are so many different causes. A lot of Panda 3.3 issues were related to over-linking the home-page and not using diverse enough anchors, but these weren’t the only changes, and these could just be the tip of the iceberg with some sites.
There’s no easy answer to dealing with penalisation, so please don’t pin your hopes on ANY service for this kind of thing. And even suggesting that there may be is a dangerous path to go down.
Thanks for the fast answer.
Well, I will give it a shot within the next 48 hours, if it helps,
you will get a big review, if not, it was worth a try…
And yes, the site is worth it…
I set up 17 urls on my website,
and I set up 100% neutralization.
Let’s see where we go with this…
I’ve been reading your site and reviews for over a year now and I have definitely learned a lot thank you it’s a really useful site, I use a combination of things to gain back links just like everyone but I must say I’m very impressed with backlink banzi, I use all 20 slots with a mixture of sites new and old and all the URL’s apart from two have moved up to impressive positions, it’s difficult to tell with some of my main URL’s because of the other work I do on them but there are 8 URL’s that have only had banzi linking to them and all of them have exceeded my expectations.
I also think the advice on the site is good regarding deep linking and mixing up your keywords as a long term strategy.
I started synnd a couple of weeks ago I’m going to do a full site approach with that so i’ll post some updates as I get them.
I refer several to Daniels comment that “a site is a site is a site”. The idea that “A link from this sort of site ranks better than this sort” runs counter to everything I’ve learned over the years. If you get a link from a decent site with decent PR (if that matters) and decent traffic, you will benefit, regrdless of the platform used to build the site. It’s too easy to get tied up in all this “blog comments bad – WEB2 better” nonsense.
Diversification is important, so if you ONLY get Forum profiles or ONLY get blog comments, and you make 30,000 a week..then that’s going to suffer from diminishing (if not vanishing) returns.
Final note – this is just my experience. The only sites I had that suffered Pandaslap – or any subsequent slap – were those with poor or limited content in terms of quantity or uniqueness. None of my sites with over 25,000 words of completely unique on topic content suffered at all – regardless of the link profile used. In fact overall they improved significantly.
G is getting better at spotting poor and plagirised content. I suspect it can also spot “out of context” content as well. Putting this on your own site, or skimping on quantity and THEN using poor links seems to spell disaster. Poor links pointing to a great site with loads of content..well that doesn’t seem to matter too much.
LSI might just me rearing its head again. I’m convinced it’s becoming more important as a factor as G finds it ever harder to evaluate the providence of every link it finds – a task that gives G no real value, and not one I imagine it ever set out to do.
My main gripe is the “regularly updated” aspect. It seems ansolutely VITAL these days, and that’s an issue. I have brocks and mortar clients who sell items that have not/will likely never change or alter/ Screws, roof tiles, compressors. No one wants or needs to read “blog posts” about them. The only reason to do these posts is to make google thing the site is “regularly updated”. But some 12 week old Ebay affiliate site can overtake these guys easily just by posting 200 words of gibberish a day in a blog along the lines of…
“I spent last night working with my compressor. Using the compressed air at 22 ibs per square inch to clean my electrical components. It’s a lovely compressor made by …….”
Junk like that (unique, keyword optimized – but utterly valueless to a visitor) stuck on your own site seems to be winning battles in the last 12 months.
I am now telling clients “Set up a subdomain and put up a blog” they are asking “Why” and I’m answering “Because that is what is required”..cause there really is no real answer other than that.
Subdomain ‘news’ blogs are a frequent tool of mine too for regular content updates…
A simple clean and fast Wordpress template posted to by a content-spinning php CRON job does wonders. Each post has a relevant link back into the main site, and each post is fed by RSS feeds out to Twitter and Facebook pages etc to create social signal link backs to the blog, which in turn pass juice back into the main domain. Add a few thousand twitter followers and facebook likes and you’ve got a nice social network sending signals back into your site… And all on autopilot.
We try and make the content have some value of course, but I agree that this kind of content is essentially superfluous; it’s only there to create the signals and evidence of updated content as Paul says.
It also provides extra web-estate to build deep links to as well of course, and increases site size, which tends to help overall ranking stability.
I could not understand this… can someone enlighten me? how google know what keyword to rank our site if we diversify to much on the keyword?
Here’s some links to some info that might help you understand this a bit better
http://danielmcgonagle.name/latent-semantic-indexing-more-seo-voodo-or-real-deal/
http://linkvanareviews.com/why-lsi-for-rankings-needs-to-be-a-gamed-thing
Why rank for just 1,2 or 3 keywords ? By diversifying you have the potential to rank for dozens of keywords. And with google instant playing such a big part in search, it’s wise to try and rank for loads of long-tails not just primary keywords.
Azmi
Because it’s not ALL about the anchor-text in the link. That plays a big part in the overall puzzle, and helps Google ‘match-up’ and identify terms on-page as being relevant, but it’s not the only thing.
You can rank pages for keyword without ever doing a keyword anchors, just by the content, title, header tags and internal linking. The internal linking will provide the keywords and the on-page content will back this up.
It’s over-use of keywords, which is highly unnatural looking, that cause the vast majority of problems in SEO.
Picture it like this; You’re driving down a road and a sign clearly says turn left for your exit. Do you need 20 signs, all saying the same thing, plus some in different colours and sizes and some animating etc all to say the same thing? You’ve been told the way; constant reminding is irritating, unnatural and superflous. Google is the same; they only need gentle nudges and indicators; they don’t need 105 glowing neon signs. This is what over-optimisation is. Sure.. You want volume of links, but these need to be naturally spread in ever way, and that includes anchor text.
And don’t forget, a big percentage of these extended anchors should still contain some of your main keywords, but they’ll have other words in there mixing up the link-profile. You’re actually creating what we call a ‘bell-curve’ of the words; where your main keywords might exist (mixed up) in 40-60% of your anchors, but at the ‘edges’ of your link profile (or bell curve) these get thinner and more diverse until they become generic and irrelevant. But this makes it all look nice and natural.
You have to get into the mindset that not all link-building is there to bolster rankings for specific keywords. A lot of it HAS to be to hide/cloak/mix the profile and make it look natural; even if they didn’t add to an individual ranking. Because they still enable other links to offer ranking power, as they’re now not in isolation, and are part of a wider and more diverse set of links.
I hope that all makes sense!
Thanks all for the answer.. Jay u got urself one more customer, and Dan ill sign up through ur aff link.
Azmi, thanks for supporting the site, welcome!
Dan
I would like Backlink Banzai to offer some kind of stats of the work they are doing and I’d happily sign up and recommend them. It’s a big ask to simply give them the money and trust that they are working on it. When many months are required so see the results, that’s a reasonable leap of faith we have to take. I fully understand the need to keep some things hush hush, but simple updates (or even email notifications) saying created X links to X domain today would satisfy this. It really does sound like a great service, but I’d take greater comfort in being able to see where my money was going in the short term.
I am a recent subscriber, and I certainly agree with your thoughts, just give us something, anything!
Promoting 20 urls daily using intelligent mix of anchor texts you don’t have to come up with without having to write a word and having links built to your articles submissions for you guys isn’t enough? I really don’t understand the obsession with link counts, and link lists and stuff. Jay said he doesn’t give the list away, and that’s it really
That would be enough if we could see that was actually happening. I’m not asking for the list of the URLs, I’m simply asking for some accountability after handing my money over, not waiting a few months and hoping that they will deliver. I’ve never heard of Backlink Banzai before and searching for more info only turns up this site and yours, so whatever they can do to address this issue will surely see many more signups by people who have similar concerns. Don’t forget that some people won’t be using only BB for their strategy, so simply watching the SERPs isn’t necessarily going to give the picture they require when renewal time comes for their subscription.
If you’re scared of spending less than $70 a month wouldn’t you be better off looking for some other system that offers the reporting you want? There are loads to chhose from!
For what is in relative terms less than 1 meal out with the wife a month Backlink Banzai are doing what the majority of those that know, want, hands off effective link building. I’d rather measure results with traffic changes than a fancy report telling me how many links they’ve done. For example I have 100′s of reported links in Link Vana and they’ve made jack all difference to my visitor stats…it’s a lovely interface though.
I get that some people are obsessed with having reports sent to them when using a backlink service or using BMR, you can tell within a few days which site your article goes onto. Honestly, the system works and I get ping backs daily and weekly now from 5 different sites that I am using this system for.
As well, in most cases when I click on the link, I see that G has already cached the article that my links are on.
The big question, am I getting results? Yes, at least on 2 sites already, I am seeing upward movement. 2 other sites, I am not sure because I got Panda slapped and will have to wait and see what happens over the next few months.
One of my terms, which is in a extremely extremely competitive market, moved from page 8 to near the top of page 5 over the past 3 weeks. I like it that its been slow, yet steady improvement. If it takes another 2 months gradually and I get to page 1, then I know it will be worth a lot of money. As well, by moving up slowly, I believe I am less likely to get slapped back down by the evil G. I am only using this system to see what happens with a few terms.
I’ve only seen trackbacks/pingbacks from the Wordpress blogs. BB submits to a lot of different platforms that probably don’t do trackbacks and pingbacks.
I see why people are getting hung up on links/reports etc. It’s tough choosing between all the different SEO services recommended on this site.
Regarding BB, just to let people know that I joined the service about 3 weeks ago, I have many pingbacks with my backlinks.
I also thought I’d check the originality of the content they are using. Although copyscape did return many matches of duplicate content in their articles it was usually less than 10% duplicate and so they are (BB) doing exactly what they said they’d do.
The backlinks are all diversified and look very natural……I like it!!
Matt, that’s good to hear and thanks for filling us in on that. I’m really quite the minimalist with testing services, insofar as that I don’t even look at the articles, content, link counts etc… if it works…it works and I share results (one way or another).
I really DO understand what some of you are saying, and I wish there was some way around this, but if you really think about it (as we have, believe me) there’s nothing whatsoever we can do apart from hand over the actual link URL’s as proof… Which we simply can’t and won’t do for the reasons we’ve already stated here and on the site.
Any numbers or stats we publish would be completely worthless; they’re just numbers, and still rely on our members believing them. They certainly don’t ‘prove’ anything.
We’ve been doing this for 4 years now: If we were cheating everyone then with the open-ness of the internet, there’s no way that we wouldn’t have been singled out. We’ve actually been quite a closely guarded secret in many circles, and we’ve been happy with that arrangement.
We use services like Majestic SEO for watching links build, and while they’re often not that quick, they do give a good idea over time.
Some of the links are supplying ping/track-backs, and others will be found via other tools over time. Our links should be fairly easy for you to spot, because they’ll look different from your own efforts.
If anyone could come up with a commercially practical idea of how I could provide this ‘confidence’ then I’d jump at the chance; but I know it doesn’t exist, as we’ve been dealing with this for a long time. And we just have to accept as a company that it’s a part of our business model, and some people might not want to join because of it.
The results WILL speak for themselves over time; but unfortunately therein lies the crux of the matter. Good SEO is steady and consistent, not fast and hurried. It’s one of the reasons that none of our own sites were slapped by Panda 3.3; not a single one. In fact, we did very well out of the last update. Because we’ve always followed the steady and careful link-building methodologies that I’ve described here and on the site.
I don’t want to keep coming back to this issue; because there’s nothing I can do about it, but I thought I’d at least try and answer it one more time, so you don’t think we’re avoiding the issue.
I have seen enough evidence through my own digging to trust this service, they ARE doing what they say . For 69 bucks a month, they do the lot. And the more hush-hush the better.
I signed up to test the service on February 20th. I entered 4 sites, 3 with multiple pages, 1 just the homepage URL, and using 10 slots all together. I will most likely spread this out per BB suggestion in the near future. I just want to see how things react.
I’ve had mixed results so far. But obviously not long at all. 2 of the sites are brand new so that I could get a clear understanding of how well the system works. 2 others are sites I have already built links to using the same “idea” as BB.
The 2 new sites are still not ranking at all. One is very competitive, the other is low to medium. I can tell when I am getting links because of the trackbacks. The 2 new sites are listed last on my dashboard. And honestly, I think they just haven’t started on the last one yet? As I never got a track back for it.
The 2 sites that I had already built some links to just in the (less than) 3 weeks I have been using this service have really done well. Both of these sites are very competitive niches. All the KWs (22) I am tracking were in the low 20s. Just checked and all are in the teens with a few in the single digits as far as rankings are concerned. Not bad at all!
I think this service is great! Very happy to see such positive movement in such a short time. And COMPLETELY hands off! That is worth its weight in gold!
I think you’ll see much faster results if you have a site that isn’t new. Which of course makes sense.
Is it a buy? For me, no doubt about it. I have since canceled another service that basically did the same thing except I was limited to one URL and 3 KWs per site. I had 3 sites with them for a $150 monthly cost. Guaranteed 600 links per site per month.
That means I’d need 2 BBs to get the same number of links. So I save $16 a month by just getting the 2 BBs and more links, but what is super important to me, is that I am able to really deep link these sites. I have a LOT more control over my URLs and what I am allowed to link to. Plus the additional “safety” feature so that I am not over optimizing and don’t even need to think about it.
I will be grabbing an affiliate link and doing a complete case study for my own blog. And it will be a highly recommended service. I’ve tried a ton of these sorts of services. For the hands off approach, I really can’t see anyone else giving you the amount of control per domain and number of great links. Really, this is a great service.
Just my 2 cents.
I’ve got a site that was up to 1,500 visits per day and then dropped to about 500. I read where Jay stated that penalized sites may not be worth saving. The site still gets 400-500 visits per day so I’m wondering if I should continue with it or move on to something else. Also, I’ve got about 200 + posts and pages so what would be the best way to use BB?
For everyone who didn’t like the ‘reversed’ site colour scheme, you’ll be glad to hear that we’ve updated the site colour scheme and done a mini graphics overhaul…
It’s now a traditional dark on white for the text and members area!
Hope that helps those of you who had difficulties reading the reversed colour scheme!
Beauty! Maybe I’ll read some of the fine print now
Thanks for doing that Jay
I’ve just published a personal insight on my view of the changing face of SEO…
I recommend everyone who considers themselves to be a serious online marketer reads it and takes heed!
http://www.backlinkbanzai.com/SEO-Wakeup-Call.htm
There are also direct-links to this from the top of our FAQ’s page or the members area.
I don’t think there is anything great you can really write about Tinnnitus or “bird cages” and nobody else in those niches are writing great content.
I’ve seen a great review of a product in my niche written by an authority bashing the product. It stayed in the top 10 for a while, but now it’s hovering around 30+.
I feel if your content is better than your competitors you should be able to rank above them with solid backlinks, but I find that is almost never the case in profitable niches. People find ways to get junk ranked. There is always some super grey hat that finds a way to get in the top 3 and stick there forever.
I agree. Most of the content we have to produce to make a site look new and original is entirely superfluous. It’s just what Google wants…
The whole point of the page though was about protection from Google’s ever-changing algorithm via diversification and scale.
What methods are people using to verify the backlinks created? I added some sites at the start of this month and I can’t find any backlinks to them yet apart from the ones I have created myself. I’ve been using Open Site Explorer mainly, but also doing various refined Google searches. I would have hoped something might be indexed by now, even if it wasn’t contributing to improved rankings yet.
After writing this I signed up for Majestic SEO and am now about to see a few links that have been created by BB. I just started to receive pingbacks too. So something is happening.
Jay,
I signed up for a couple of accounts last month and have seen some improvements in rankings. Good stuff and looking forward to even more improvements. I love the hands off approach. One question though. Have you guys noticed any changes in your network lately since G has been on a rampage against blog networks. I know you don’t have a traditional network like BMR but just wondering if you have seen any deindexing or expect to have problems?
We rotate a good 100-150 sites every month as a matter of course, and since we use thousands of public sites, we’re far more insulated than the ‘owned’ networks are, because there’s no connection footprint. We’re always removing, replacing and adding fresh sites; so it’s just business as usual for us! There’s been a slightly higher count of rotated sites over the last month, probably partly due to Panda 3.3, but nothing to really cause any issues.
I just posted this ‘Learning From The Panda 3.3 Update’ page:
http://www.backlinkbanzai.com/PostPanda33Protection.htm
Thanks for the sharing again. Do you have any reliable tool to recommend for Web 2.0 site posting & management?
Build your ‘asset-quality’ 2.0′s manually; at the site. These are the ones you should concentrate on.
Zennoposter is one of the best public tools for creating and posting to ‘disposable’ 2.0′s for link-building, but I can’t get into that in any depth; it’s quite a technical product and requires a bit of a programming mindset. You can research it in plenty of places on the web though.
So are you recommending that we not use BB to link directly to our money sites?
No…
You can’t reduce that entire document down to one line.
There are loads of factors at play here, and we weren’t talking about Banzai. We were talking about ALL forms of link-building going forward; and the increasing need to protect yourself from the vagaries of Google. This is not system-specific.
You need to take the information in and consider the effects intelligently on your web-estate; and make any changes that are necessary for you. Everyone has a different situation.
UPDATE:
1. We’ve extended the anchor-text box to allow 150 characters, rather than 100 characters. This gives you 50% more space for extra anchor text variety.
2. We’ve published a Web 2.0 Mega List. This is a list of public Web 2.0 properties that are becoming increasingly useful in the light of Panda 3.3 to act as buffer sites for protection from an over-zealous Google!
http://www.backlinkbanzai.com/Web2Palooza.htm
I just signed up for this service it looks great. Alot of my ALN backlinks are getting deleted and with other private networks services like these are the best options now.
listen to this guy he knows his shit. I never heard someone speak such gold without writing a fucking book.
I have set 4 slots to my main URL with 2-3 keywords each and another 4 slots for 4 URL deeplinks with 2-3 keywords each at 50% naturalization.
My link campaign is in full swing with around 1000 links (main and deeplinks) built to site a month through ALN. I will report back as i am sure i will see movement within 2-3 weeks
cheers
Thanks for all the great info you have shared. I will soon sign up my 3rd account. I like to use it at 2nd-level where I link to other quality Web 2.0, Wiki & article directory
Hey there, I just have a quick question before I order. I’m planning to completely throw off my hosting and domains, and I’m planning to build only quality Squidoo lenses which will point to Amazon.
Can your service provide a hands off backlinking package to them? For example, I will build 20, VERY high quality lenses on various topics, would BB be able to rank them? I’m not saying you should give me a definite answer, what I’m asking is if you’ve had some Squidoo pages gain ranks over time with BB? Is it documented?
First: I personally wouldn’t just use Squidoo’s. There are over 100 different 2.0/microblogs out there. Get some variety…
http://www.backlinkbanzai.com/Web2Palooza.htm
Second: We build links to any URL at all (as long as it meets our ethical guidelines), so you’re effectively asking how well do Squidoo’s rank these days… And I really can’t answer that I’m afraid! We have some squidoo’s that we’d consider asset-quality, but we’ve had those for literally years – and have done all kinds of link-building to them – so it’s not really a fair comparison.
Hey there, thanks for your reply. I don’t mean to use Squidoo for backlinking, I’d rather use it as a money page for a product review. I got hooked up on this idea because I recently got a check from Amazon ($100) for a pathetic little product that i put on Squidoo 2 years ago. Haven’t used any backlinking to it except forum profiles while they were still useful.
So, I’m going back to my Squidoo game and I need a hands-off solution so I can build my pages and focus on their quality rather than backlinking. That’s why I don’t need other Web 2.0-s.
So, my question was if you had any data on how good do Squidoo pages (lenses) react on backlinks from BB?
Yes. I realised that’s what you meant; and that was how I answered. If you want to stick to squidoo’s then that’s fine of course, but there are a hell of a lot of other 2.0′s that you can build to do the same thing.
And my last paragraph already answered your last question… We have no specific data for you… But a URL is a URL is a URL. As long as it contains good content then the domain you build it on is pretty irrelevant. We talk loads on our pages about using 2.0′s and linking to them; so obviously you can do what you’re asking.
Should we be using our keywords for these buffer sites too? I would have thought we don’t want them to be ranking as such.
Why was the BMR blog network deindexed and the backlink banzai network not deindexed?
BMR was a private network, so it had a footprint and fundamental inter-connectedness that could be detected and de-indexed. They were actually personally targeted by Google (Google admitted this.)
We’re not a privately owned ‘network’ at all (in the sense that they use the word ‘network’); we use public sites. All internet sites are networked of course, and when we use the ‘network’ term; we’re just referring to a large network of sites that are publicly available. But they’re not part a privately owned, ‘closed’ network, like BMR was. We rotate a good 100-150 sites every month as a matter of course, and since we use thousands of public sites, we’re far more insulated than the ‘owned’ networks are, because there’s no inter-connection footprint.
We’re always removing, replacing and adding fresh sites; so it’s just business as usual for us. There’s been a slightly higher count of rotated sites over the last month, probably partly due to Panda 3.3, but nothing to really cause any issues. Every Google update that has happened in the last 5 years has knocked out some of the sites from our constantly evolving database; that’s just the nature of the beast with Google and SEO!
I must say your support is awesome. You guys are awesome. This service is awesome. If anyone is on the boat get in now as I would love it if they just closed up shop for new people and gave all the links to us
Now my question is this. when can we get a double account without having two accounts? I want to start building up web 2.0′s and I want more slots. I can afford to pay double triple or even quadruple. Money is no problem. So can we add this solution for multi account holders? The only reason I do not have a multi account already is because of this I like things easy and login into and taking care of two accounts just takes too much time when it can all be done in a simple user interface.
I hope you offer this feature in the future. When it does happen just know that you will have people standing by ready to snatch it up. It has been mentioned here a couple of times so you know the money is there and it is what your customers want.
Thanks for the vote of confidence!
We welcome multi-accounts from our loyal users; but there’s no way we can do it in one integrated account. There are huge technical restrictions in the way our software systems work; and we’ve hard-coded the 20-slot model across the entire system. We had to do this for a number of reasons that I can’t get into. Changing this will never happen, because it puts too many important functions at risk and in need of extensive re-testing. We also have many corporate and large SEO accounts that have private interfaces to the system; and all these would be affected too. Our current systems have been in evolution and test for 5 years now; they’re rock-solid. I’m sure you appreciate that this is the important thing.
We have a LOT of members who have multiple accounts. In fact ther are FAR more ‘add-on’ accounts in our system than primary accounts. Most just use sequential account numbering to keep it simple; it really isn’t hard to group your URL’s in batches of 20. I do it with 90 accounts that I have just for my own sites. (yes… I have 90 private accounts! I own a thousand sites; so I need that many!)
Sorry; I know it would be a nice-to-have. But we’re far too embedded with technology to re-write everything to do this.
@Backlink Banzai
Thanks for all the great information you have shared here. I will be signing up shortly (through Dan’s link!).
One question:
I am adding blogs to my ecommerce sites in order to add fresh content, but you mention using “A simple clean and fast Wordpress template posted to by a content-spinning php CRON job does wonders.”
Can you give any pointers on the content-spinning php CRON job.
I am already using a script to post RSS feeds to the blog but it doesn’t spin content.
I should add:
I have several sites that were hit on Feb6th with -5 to -15 penalties. Having analysed each site this was clearly an over optimisation penalty – not enough link anchor text diversity. But the penalty only applies to specific KW searches and pages. The pages still rank #1 for other KW that were not over-optimised.
A lot of the KW focussed links were from BMR which is now dead – so maybe Google will help correct the problem for me! Cant rely on that so have been working on generic , URL and brand name anchors for the last 5 weeks but not much progress so far.
I meant a hand-coded PHP script which pulls spintax from a text file, spins it and then posts via XML-RPC to the wordpress news blog. You can then use that RSS feed to build facebook and twitter posts as well.
I can’t expand on this; I only offered it as a top-level idea for those of you that know PHP. You’d need to understand PHP, file-handling, text-spinning algo’s and XML-RPC posting protocols. That or find a programmer to write one? Sorry; this is just way outside of what I can cover for you. Google these topics if you know PHP.
Thanks for the reply. I’ve now signed up for two packages with you – looks like a great service.
I have a few sites I’d like to use with my slots.
How long do I need to leave URLs in a slot for before I can rotate them out?
What will happen when I rotate them out, will the existing links built continue to be included in your follow up processes?
This is answered in the FAQ’s and previous posts.
http://www.backlinkbanzai.com/FAQs.php#ChangeAllowed
It won’t affect any of the follow-up processes; they will work as before.
Can we throttle the output like slow it down one week/month and open it up later? It would look better to the algo just incase G finds the links sooner so it doesn’t look like an unreal spike.
The only way you can effect speed of link-building is by using more/less slots for each URL. We cannot provide the ability to allow you to choose the ‘pacing’ of the link-building; that just wouldn’t be viable for our current link-packaging system and would be a technical nightmare!
1 slot is only 50+ links per month when all 20 slots are used. We cannot provide any smaller ‘granularity’ of control than this inside the current pricing model.
50 links is perfect to start with. I had to get more familiar with how your system works.
I’m currently reading the FAQ. This is a perfect way to start off a new site alongside a social service that also allows you to start slow and ramp up later.
Thank you
Last question (I hope)
When we make changes to existing kw/url in your panel, do the new changes take effect the next day/week later?
We just posted this: ‘Dealing With Google Penalties & Notices’
http://www.backlinkbanzai.com/DealingWithGooglePenalties.htm
…There are already sites recovering from the Panda 3.3 slap!
Good post, correlates with my experiences lately. Does anyone know how to close a GWT account? I can’t seem to find the option anywhere and searching doesn’t turn up anything useful. I just get sent to Google Accounts and there’s no option to close it there either.
Just signed up through the link.
Suggestion: It would have been nice to receive a simple email notification that the service is being started. As it is, when you sign up you get nothing. Just complete silence and you don’t know if it’s working or not. I emailed to ask if they send progress reports and I got a reply that “We don’t provide any emails I’m afraid, as there wouldn’t be anything to email you – since we don’t provide link reporting.”
I understand that there is no link reporting but I wasn’t talking about that. I think your customers would appreciate a simple “Hello, thanks for joining. Link building will begin on the 29th” type of thing and a “Just to update you on the service, this month’s link building has been finished. Please update your link slots for next month if needed.”
It’s not reporting, it’s just simple courtesy to let people know you are on the job and to confirm that things are working.
Sorry… We seem to have misunderstood what you were saying in the original full email to us…
I agree. We’ll add a much more comprehensive explanation into the account/join-up email so people know exactly what happens next and when the link-building will begin (It’s the next ‘working’ day – Mon-Fri – after you join. Basically; immediately.) We’ll also add a few other bits to help people find other information in our FAQ’s etc. It’s only recently that a few people have brought this to our attention; and we’ve been doing this for 4-5 years now. So we’ve probably taken it for granted up till now.
But thanks for pointing this out: It makes perfect sense.
The only thing we won’t be doing is sending our monthly emails. This is what we thought you were asking about. As we’ve already discussed on this blog, the link-building is a never-ending cycle. We don’t publish ‘numbers’ of links submitted etc as this means nothing without ‘proof’ (i.e. Link URLs.) And the numbers are fixed anyway. We build 1000 1st tier content-links per month as we say; and we usually overdeliver by about 20% for some ‘protection’.
“I agree. We’ll add a much more comprehensive explanation into the account/join-up email so people know exactly what happens next and when the link-building will begin”
Just to report that my lenses are getting a momentum steadily after a week. The movement is slow (they are all on page 1 btw, only 2 of them built), but the most stable rankings i ever saw were the ones where the climbing was slow. Im pleased with this service. Will report even more in the following weeks.
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