I like Brad and I want to be his friend and marketing buddy, we run in the same circles, we’re IM peeps, I’m just not a brand name in that world…
But SEO Link Vine sucked/sucks…syndication is/was poor, so it’s seems to me that coming out with an Elite version of a sucky service is a bit on the arrogant side here, almost like Free Traffic System which also sucks, having an Elite Push package as well.
Prevailing and conventional wisdom amongst serious link builders is that SEO Link vine is a bust, so to then create an elite membership level where the lowest price membership is 227 dollars/month for access to 500 sites on 100 IP addresses, is absolutely nuts.
Do you want 750 unique IP Addresses linking to you, instead of 100?
Article Marketing Robot – does that… for one-time fee of 77 dollars
How about 300 IP addresses on a high Page Rank network?
Build My Rank does that, less than 70/month
How about 16,000 links from High Page Rank forums?
Any of the now dime-a-dozen profiles linking services can do those, albeit without providing contextual links, so use UAW or AMR for contextual links
The highest level membership is 997/month.
- You could hire 2 crews in the Philliphines for this, and never write a blessed syllable and rank your sites with ease.
- You could get Xrumer, and build out a 10 mini-net on class C hosting to build up your own network
- You could outsource Xrumer AND SE Nuke blasts to Xrumer-SEO for less than lowest priced membership
- You could run Xrumer and SE Nuke for same cost as Elite SEO Link Vine lowest membership level
- You could get 120,00 Xrumer links a month for 200/month from DripFeedBlasts…
This is the same thing conceptually as SEO Nitro, albeit with better ideas on how to set the whole network up, with supporting hubs of sites and an indexing network backing it up, stuff like that is good, just nowhere’s near worth what they’re so arrogantly charging.
One thing I learned from a mentor who made a lot of money, and still does is:
Who are we to say what something is worth, or has good value?
If it can be offered and bought at any price point no matter how ridiculous, then so be it. It is what it is. If people still spend money who are we to deny them the privilege of overpaying us for something. We’re not consumer advocates, we’re marketing professionals trying to deliver value and get the most we can from what we do.
The problem with all those thoughts is: overpaying for this gets you 1 type of link.
…And the regular SEO Link Vine was/is terrible, so it’s got me a bit ticked off that they’d follow up with this Elite version which might be good and it might work, but it will never be worth what they’re charging for it.
Brad, I’m sure you’ll drop by. My Skype ID is easy to find and we can talk on phone if you want. Just saying, I’m not hiding, not being a cyber-bully, or an online tuffie with a brave “mouth” behind a keyboard…
I don’t begrudge Brad nor Dori (not your wallet’s) Friend of SEO Nitro their ability to basically charge whatever they want for something and still sell out regularly. That’s powerful stuff that comes from being on the ‘net for a while and giving good service, and making good products….in the past.
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It’s all about the $. Brad doesn’t have any reason to put out a quality product if the sheep will buy an inferior one. That’ the bottom line.
Daniel, You are the man.
thank you for you alway give us the really reviews.
Thanks Snoop! Woof woof! tell this to the JackA** shane
Haha, I though the EXACT same thing when I saw that. After the ragging success of seo linkvine? Comon, it’s still debatable if it’s really “that good”. But really, $1000/month for access to his website network? Someone with that kind of money HAS to be smart enough to know how much he can truly do with $1000 including buying himself 10-40 of high PR websites for his OWN personal use at that price… (Not including all the other services that work very well that you can get for $1000/month).
But ya, it’s all about the money… I guess if your lazy and don’t want to research whats out there why not just trow your money around on that network…
Well said Daniel – I gave up on Seolinkvine, I wasted loads of time on that network for almost no results.
Like you said why is the Elite version any different from buildmyrank (which does seem to work!)
To be fair it is different and I spoke to the BMR Admin about this.
Elite isn’t just another in a long line of dime a dozen high PR blog networks. They conceptualized things well , in my opinion, in that they built supporting hubs, rings, mini-nets of sites and are using RSS technology to syndicate content easily and efficiently.
I don’t see too many blog networks out there like this; if anything you have their network and if you’re lucky they’re doing stuff on the back end to index your articles. So it’s a different kind of network, but pricing is ridiculous
Daniel, if a guy could make a million bucks from a pet rock, then sky’s the limit I guess…
The one thing that really makes no sense to me about the SEOLV Elite network is that if you invested the same amount into building a network of your own (where your links never drop off the homepage and where you don’t have to create new content to keep getting new links, for one thing), you’d quickly get more link-value out of that. I mean, imagine investing $1000 a month in your own network! That will buy you some really decent high-PR domains. And even at $300/month, you can still steadily build out an awesome little network.
Plus, you can stop adding new sites anytime and only be left with relatively low running costs.
With services that cost $50-$100 bucks a month, the pricing makes sense, because you’re getting more link-value out of them (if they’re good) than you could buy for yourself with that money. But $300 to $1000?
As you say: I guess if there’s customers for this, then good on those who run the service.
Shane,
I would love to hear how to go about building my own high PR network. Even a one starting at $300 per month would be decently good I would think. Can you share any details or links?
With $1000 a month, i can 5-7 staffs from the philippines. lol…
Perhaps advanced marketers wont fall for such price. As we all know we can get it outsourced at a way cheaper price.
Thanks for the heads up Daniel.
Well, here’s the thing… Thi0 sIS for advanced marketers, because who else could afford these exorbitant prices, and yet if they’re aking good money on the ‘net, they sure as hell didn’t get there by making stupid decisions
Q.E.D. LOL!
Wow…people will spend endless amounts of money getting their sites ranked. Great article!
Daniel, you saved me from making a HUGE mistake. I feel like an idiot being misled by the sales letter. Good thing I researched it typing it into google and finding this article. Love your reviews and recommendations. I will definitely buy through your affiliate links becuz you truly deserve it.
Cannot thank you enough,
Pete
Pete, well there’s nothing misleading in the sales letter, it’s merely not good value is all.
Pete – I agree.
I have never read a great sales copy that did not make me take notice; even if I knew it was just smoke. It’s easy to get fooled. It’s ever easier to get fooled by IM folks who know how to “entice, bring in, free offers, extra bonus, closing soon”…..money back guaranteed. I do like an honest service that over delivers. To many under deliver.
It reminds me of Tom Waits song “Step Right Up”.
When I scan a sales letter I’m looking for the words high Page Rank, indexing, unique IP addresses, # of sites in network etc….
I think we gotta realize that most of us are beyond the point of needing to be convinced that any service will skyrockets sales, traffic and conversions, not unless the service builds links, writes articles that get accepted 100% of the time, and handles the on-page seo and on-page copy writing for us.
Oh wait… 1 crew in Philippines could handles 95% of that
for 500 bucks a month
Have to hand it to them I guess… being able to sell something so simple for such prices. But then those who pay will also be a different league of people and not the kind who are familiar with link building tools and services.
I personally would not… but I’m sure many will end up going for it. It seems marketing is really more powerful than the actual product itself.
Holy Shit!
“The highest level membership is 997/month.”
I did a double-take when I read that… seriously? $1000?
Moving on.
My thought was that they got a huge influx of SEOLinkVine subscribers on the last push and are using this to try to quickly raise more money to buy sites for the LinkVine network.
Personally, networks with no posting caps seems insane and unmanagable. How can they possibly manage scalability unless they have controls on # posts per subscriber in place?
In truth, if Brad thought enough of his own service – he would come on here and defend it. The fact that he is 100% silent shows he can’t defend; doesn’t want to defend it; doesn’t care what critics say about his product.
Pathetic any way you look at it.
Dan – one quick point. I would gladly pay $1000 to Brad in cash every other week – if he had a product that deserved it. In all fairness if the sites were high-quality and more than paid for themselves – and it was a service so unique that outsourcing was not an option – then I would pull out the fantastic plastic right now.
What I have a tough time with is IM professionals who won’t defend their own product. That is the ultimate in insanity to me. That’s what IM people do: talk, blow their own horn. He has a product for $1k and won’t defend it….is he to shy?
TJ, I’m sure he’ll drop by.
Surprised Goad hasn’t come by to defend Rank Builder though, it’s getting such bad press from all users pretty much
Goad has not come by his Auto Content Cash forum and neither have Jared Croslow or Brian Johnson and they promised the sky when they sold that system. Guess they are all ******* and I know for sure I will never buy anything from them ever. I’m sure Mr. Goad will not come here to defend a piece of crap like RB. All he wants is his money which he can make from poor gullible wannabe IMers who don’t know any better than to keep away from him.
On that note: 2 services that outperform in my view & are fairly valued – or even under priced in my estimation – have spoken to me. Highly competent, intelligent, articulate. When there is something good, and it works, and it is under priced – then it sells itself.
That’s why your service is so great. You separate the winners, losers, also rans. It is terrific.
I look forward to joining your own service. It looks awesome and at a great price.
Hi Dan
Do you think this could be a case of someone using their name to make money as I have heard of Mr Cullen way before I heard he was providing a link building service and more than likely if the price hadnt been stupid and I hadnt heard bad things about it I would have gone with it as I would have looked at it like I was investing in him and that an SEO professional/guru or whatever wouldnt put their name to something which was a load of crap!??
Have you seen a link building service called meganets.com ?? Looks very interesting, its pricey but it does look as if the price is justified as they provide allot of work! That being said for the price I could get LFE and do it myself! Would like to find out how it works though.
Get up there Daniel boy!! You tell em!
Mark, Elite’s price point is crap, not the service itself IMNSHO. Like I said in this post, marketing-wise, why not charge as much as you cna get for something if its gonna sell out? I’m just here trying to tell you where value is.
Speaking of which meganets major gold package
20 TIER 1 Web 2.0′s, 40 TIER 2 Web 2.0′s, 80 TIER 3 Web 2.0′s, ALL Web 2.0′s submitted to MASSIVE AutoBlog Network for FAST Indexing, RSS Feed Submission, Everything Bookmarked, Everything Pinged. $249
Can do all this with a few SE Nuke runs (2), Bookmarking Demon, and a few BIE sites. If Meganet showed how many of their sites remain indexed, then that’d be powerful stuff, but for 249/month or package, you can get Xrumer-SEO to do same things for you, or just get down and dirty and economical and buy standalone tools to do this stuff more often for one time fee
What’s are “BIE” sites?
Indexing sites running the scripts mentioned here
Ah, OK. Thx.
Have you posted anywhere about getting accurate cache dates for indexed links?
I haven’t found a tool that does it accurately, so is there is some technical reason that makes it difficult to get that information in bulk (even with proxies?)
Things staying indexed is a rather strange thing as I have web 2.0 properties I found recently which I built in my first trys at linkbuilding which only have one page and about 150 words which are still indexed! I have never built one link to them in any way! A wix site and a Xanga site??
You could defo do the meganets stuff yourself but then they talk about throwing links from their blognetwork too. Its al awful lot of work to do on your own and if you outsourced it you couldnt gaurentee them getting it right (well maybe not?), 140 sites for 249? not bad?
I suppose it depends on how much content? Prob only 1 page (defo only one page) but I mean with a link/rss submission here and there its easy enough to keep them indexed, I suppose your paying for them doing the job right (and well)?!
You could get a review copy lol
Dave, I have a couple questions for you:
1. have you actually used SEOLinkVine ELITE? Are you a current member?
2. have you ever used SEONitro?
From my understanding, seolv Elite is essentially the same type of thing as seonitro, EXCEPT it uses a completely different network of sites. But still, Dori Friend is behind the creation of the network and partnered with Brad on it.
So if this is the case, then I give extremely high marks to SEOLV Elite. Im’ not a member of seolv elite, but I am a member of seonitro, and have been for over a year. Dori is amazing and the network is worth more than what I’m paying (yes, the expensive high price you talked about)
The thing that people don’t realize is that these high-priced networks are NOT for beginners. That’s not what they’re built for. You can’t be a beginner and expect to spend that much money and know what to do with the service you’re paying for. And that’s why Dori and Brad tell their potential customers that. They even say in their video that it’s not for beginners.
So unless you’re a member of either of these two programs AND have used it, I don’t know how you can give an respectable opinion with much credibility on the topic.
I agree with most of your other posts because they’re based on your actual results, but what I don’t agree with is this post… UNLESS you’ve used either of these two systems. If that’s the case, then I apologize.
thanks Daniel
Hi Jason, no need to apologize, as I understand your points.
Fact of the matter is, I’ve used enough of these services and reviewing tons of services and tools not blogged aobut here, so I know where there’s good value and ROI.
Despite all that, there will be people who say, “Yea Dan, you reviewed everything and tested them, provided case studies, ad we respect that” etc… but as soon as I dare opine about something I haven’t used nor will I eve ruse, the credibility goes out the window?
I opined on 10linksaday, and didn’t use it, and I was right in my assessment of it, just like I think I’m spot on with all my other tests and reviews and “verdicts”.. After a while you get a quick grasp on whether something is good value or not.
If it works for you, then great, keep using it, but there’s better value out there.
Also, I’m no beginner either (6 figures a year) with SEO stuff nor online marketing, so to try and make this seem like penny-pinchers aren’t qualified for this service is a bit snobbish and misleading. All that really says is, “please get over your sticker-price-shock” and join us “Elite Marketers”.
Again, I agree with you, can’t give a REVIEW based on not using something (which is why I didn’t write pure reviews on SEO Nitro and Elite SEO Link Vine, just assessments), but I can knowledgeably opine on things all day long and people generally tend to agree with my assessments and trust them, since their results from services I DID use mirrored my own, or will mirror my own.
Re; Jason’s comments
I used seo link vine for 3 months and its a piece of shit seriously. There is no doubt Brad is a good marketer, but he really doesn’t know SEO like he thinks he does. Just another so called guru that talks a good talk. SEO Link Vine elite at 997/month – seriously give your head a shake dude. I use build my rank which has several hundred more domains added, cost 59/month and my links all get indexed.
The elite links at that price only stay on page 1 for a short period of time anyways and fall off. So why would anyone that knows what they are doing need to spend that? Well, you and anyone else really don’t have too no matter what you say.
I am certainly no beginner and I still don’t need to spend hundreds of dollars a month on back linking systems because what most people have for back links, I can get the same results and better with a tenth of the links because I know exactly what I am doing online.
Jason, I don’t have to get food poisoning or beat up to know that I won’t like it. I don’t have to use all the systems out there to give an opinion either. I can obtain a lot of information in other ways. If the name Brad Callen is behind it, I run the other way from now on.
Thanks for this review … I’ve searched the net for a real unbiased review on slv and didn’t find any … Maybe they’re afraid to say it … I was about to subscribe to their service having brad as a popular name in SEO but this review hits the mark.
I joined this and after a while looked up some of the sites my articles were being placed on and most of the sites were pure crap. If any of those sites ever get indexed it will be a miracle. A guy with a big reputation like Brad should know better and think about how poorly such a crappy business makes him look. Oh this is brainy, give away a TV for the most sites added to put articles on, now that really inspires people to add quality sites, Not.
Thanks Warner, you’re referring to the lower-price SEO Link Vine, not the 999/month Elite version, correct?
I am using SLV and I never understood why my ranking was going down when my article publish rate is tripling in the network. I have only seen few sites that indexed, less than 20% of what is published. I just tought, may be it takes time.
My question is that I have tons of articles in there that are not doing anything for me, it seems. Where best I could take them to get published? I have already wasted quite much time waiting for SLV to deliver.
Article Marketing Robot, + UAW
Hello Daniel,
Thank you for your frank straight-forward reviews of all this SEO stuff. I wondered if you had any input on SYNND NETWORK? This is a social media link building membership for $97/mo that incorporates (supposedly) 800 other members who post bookmarks and twitter re-tweets for you. Any comment? Thanks.
Synnd
Remember that this isn’t the same network as slv at all, and is rather a distinct network that only very few people have access to. SLV doesn’t work because the sites are junk, if this new network has quality sites then it is worth the price, not the 1000 dollar price point though, well maybe. Nobody has experimented with this new network unless you were part of slvelite1, so comments saying that slv doesn’t work are irrelevant.
And now they opened elite seo linkvine 2 … Something tells me #1 never even filled up so they are trying to make it seem as if he just created a new one. I mean, if it was true he had a new network it does not seem possible that over the last month he was able to get 100+ AGED sites with PR out of nowhere. Even if he just bought 100 new dropped domains that doesn’t seem like “strong” sites to me.
I pretty much lost all respect for seolinkvine and his other products, he’s trying to create scarcity and it’s so obvious. I can’t say I tried the network (ridiculous prices, even if my IM earnings are above that) but I think he’s more of a marketer than a “service/software” provider. But hey, if anyone has positive reviews on SEO linkvine ELITe I would love to hear them…
Has anyone seen this:
http://jamesmartell.com/need-backlinks/index.html
And we thought SEO Nitro and SEO Link Vine Elite were expensive!!!
Wow. That’s nuts – almost bordering on hilarious given what a horrible deal that is.
Back later…gotta go slap my forehead in disbelief a few more times.
LOL..The Arrogance… so funny…so true
I knew LinkVine was gonna be useless, just like his My Article Network was and is. Overall I do not trust any of his stuff anymore, it’s all so sleazy, just one useless outrageous sales pitch after another.
Oh and if you want a real laugh, sign up one of your sites to receive content from other members at LinkVine, garbage, every single article.
Save your cash and stay away from Callen stuff….
Article Ranks rocks! LinxBoss rocks,
Daniel, you really have done a tremendous job with this site, useful beyond belief, THANK YOU!!!!!
Dan I am so glad my opinion and yours are the same about SEO Linkvine. I’ve been endlessly complaining about this service for weeks. The problem is that I don’t blog about SEO or link building so I can’t publicly flog the service in my blog. But I have been telling others in the IM and SEO circles about how bad SEO Linkvine is. It really is a waste of good money.
I’m going to do back and read the other recommendations in this thread, but I wanted to add a comment in favor of SEOLV and SEOLV Elite. I have both and have been very satisfied with the results. (Perhaps I could have done better elsewhere, but I got what I wanted.) Here is how I view Elite…
There are about 500 sites in the network on 100 different IPs. I pay for the lowest level access to the network about $250/month. I have a FT outsourcer at $240 per month that does all my posting to this network (plus other work for me). I put 2 links (to different sites) on each network site every week = 1000 backlinks per week or 4000 per month. That means I’m paying $500/4000 = 20 cents per link and I have complete control to change what links are placed day-by-day as our rankings react. I find this a fair price for PR 2-5 links with 100% placement control.
As for writing content. SEOLV Elite has a minimum post length of 2 sentences which makes the content creation SOOOO much easier. I created my own excel spreadsheet tool where I place 25 keywords per site we are trying to rank and them use a random number generator to mix the keywords into stock sentences. I also have a title mixer and a way to spin formatting like bold, italic and line breaks to make the content truly unique in structure and verbiage. It takes me about 45 minutes per week to use the tool I created and send my outsourcer 500 exact blog posts she should make on the network. No two are ever the same.
SEOLV Elite gives you a login for each Wordpress site on the network. My outsourcer log ins, copies and pastes the post into the html tab and publishes. (The output I send her is spun html) She can do about 40 per hour.
Like I said, I’m going to look at the other suggestions but I find 20 cents per link with 100% control a good fit for my needs. And I’m VERY happy with the rankings achieved in our niches
Andrea
Andrea, thanks for sharing and good luck with using their services. It boggles my mind to know why you’re using the much-maligned cheaper version AND the Elite version at same time. Seems unnecessary to me, and you don’t have 100% control over anything with Elite; you don’t own the network nor the sites being posted to, just want to point that out for future comments readers.
Thanks,
Dan
Hi Dan,
I have an idea for your next post…best way to spend $x p/m
J
Wow, I don’t know about ya’ll but I seem to be getting great results with SEO Link Vine. I’m not all to savvy on SEO but my website got 300% increase using it in the first month here.
My niche is MLM, I don’t know if that makes a difference but went from 25 visitors per day to 75-100 almost instantly. The only thing I did differently was using SEO Link Vine.
What else can i use to boost my traffic here?
Hi Pat, MLM niche has good traffic spurts, especially if you’re posting about new mlms and what not, this post was about the elite SEO Link vine, not the regular SEO Link vine. BTW, I will be joining the Elite one sometime this year, just to say that I did review it as a paid user and not an outside critic, and hopefully maybe to change my mind of things. After all, it seems like more and more blog networks are getting found out as historically has been the case, so hopefully Elite is indeed doing something that justifies the pricing, which was really my main bone of contention in this post.
Let me save you some money by saying SEOlinkvine Elite at $497.00 each month totally sucks.
I just quiit today after 2 months of total BS.
I had some money to waste on this crap software……
Brad and company sold their soul for the money……….
Take Care……………Ron
Wow, Dan. I’m glad you wrote this post. And, glad I found it to read.
I spent a lot of time, effort and money in Elite SEO LinkVine with not much to show for it.
It’s amazing to me the “blind followers” they have who will write syrupy reviews for the chance to win a TV.
Unfortunately, after my experience with that network, I probably have stricken Brad’s name from my list of future interests.
Hey guys,
Idk. I have a guy who’s crushing it with this network. Says indexing is 50% within 24-48hours.
And Dan, I know you’re not one to give reviews on services you haven’t tried, but you did this time. I’m interested in trying it for a month, but think I might just buy PR2+ expiring domains and post content on them and make my own network on various C-Class’s.
Also, utilize BMR, AMR, BMD and SEnuke X. Then Backlink Energizer with my private network and boom.
Hey Chris, as you know there’s people crushing it with AMR and backlink energizer, also with SE Nuke X, also with blog comments and mega-content sites.
But I get your point here, it rankles me to have an opinion up here instead of a real review. Once I get more sites built I will throw a few into elite and see what happens
I know this is a year old blog, but thought I’d chime in after using SEO Link Vine for a time. I’ll start right off by saying it is crapware. I was REALLY disappointed to find that the stats would not tell you which sites your articles were posted on (They claim they do this to protect their site owner’s privacy – what a load of bunk). So here was the only research I could do to get an idea of what kind of sites were in my network. I did a PR search for all of the sites requesting articles. They were all PR 0! No kidding.. I had been paying for SEO LV $67 /mo for 6 mo. before taking the one-time fee offer ($500). I spent about $1,000 for crapware. I wish there were more honest reviews out there about SEO link vine and the crapware it really is.
I wonder if anyone has to say something more current, like network, 4, 5, 6 ??? how the results have been going for these chaps since then?
Hey Dan – thanks, good point and frankly I don’t like the closed networks at all myself. I have found better results with open sites that have business or social value as an authority domain. Like we say, keep it natural and keep it coming. Thanks for your insight, found it helpful even if i sat through SEO Nitro’s presentation to see what it was all about
– not my thing. Did pick up on Backlink Energizer and will check it out now…. thanks, John
LinkVine was interesting until I read this post. This post is kinda old, so I thought that maybe LinkVine had been changed. But unfortunately no change, so it doesn’t work from the beginning until now like Dan said. It seems that this service doesn’t work for me…
Thanks for the post mate, it is nice to see someone put up an honest review on something once in a while. I completely agree with you and found myself thinking the same thing while I was reading this. It is amazing what some people will pay for though, people that have no clue.
Wow! This post opened up quite the can of worms. Very good stuff Dan and I’m glad you broached a sensitive topic here because every network owner boasts of being the best, being “worth the price”, etc. but I am still always hard pressed to believe that you can ever get the mileage out of these blog and article networks that you can get out of manual link building.
I won’t say which services I use right now, but let’s just say that I’m in agreement with the ridiculous costs and uneventful results obtained from many of those discussed here. Secondly, I ignore testimonials completely because who the heck really knows where they’re coming from – most likely a network owners cronies. So testimonials mean nothing to me.
These blog networks that drop you off into nowhere as new posts come aboard are, for lack of better words, pure crap. Not to mention that about half of all the blogs in the network drop out after a short amount of time. So while these services show 1000′s of posted articles, you would think that this would equate into many thousands of links. Not really. The blogs disappear so quickly that I’ve seen as many as 600+ backlinks equate to about 20-30 over time. And these 20-30 are consistently from PR 0 pages.
I always say that some of these services that take on article marketing and blog posting can be a nice complement to good old hardcore link building, but that’s where it ends. And I’m still a firm believer that the success stories were on niches so specific and so non-competitive that with some hard work, the person claiming how great these services are, could have achieved the same, or better results on his/her own.
And please guys…. don’t show me videos and examples where your search term is the exact same term as your domain name. I’m not impressed, and nobody is. show me some real life, competitive terms showing up atop the rankings because of one of these programs. I’ve yet to see it.
thanks again Dan. Very nice thread here everyone! I enjoyed reading!
Eric, thanks for the feedback and comments.
The sales pages are geared towards noobs, and they work because most people just don’t know any better.
Like ranking for buy ecigs keyphrase in the UK, then showing millions of competing pages for a term that gets 1k exact searches in UK, and ranking with an EMD like buyecigs.co.uk etc….
Thanks,
Dan
No, haven’t written about that yet; the whole cached/not cached stuff I really gotten around to worrying about, but I do see a lot of chatter on the forums about this stuff. I’ll take a look. Long time no hear Paul, since the ASD fiasco
Just saw this, Dan.
LOL. Someone asked to watch the parody video I made about ASD the other day, actually.