(This Magic Submitter ” review” was written by a reader of Linkvanareviews.com and as of right now in this article it’s more of a “what it’s like to use Magic Submitter and my (his) experiences with it).
There’s no data on rankings changes before and after or anything like that, but it might help you make a decision one way or another on whether or not you want to use this service/tool. I also asked him to provide some rankings updates in next few weeks so maybe we will get some data on that side of things eventually.
NOTE: When “sick” is being referenced below, he’s referring to Sick Submitter, a tool that started off as a semi-automated profiles link building and is continually morphing into a bit of a powerhouse as far as capabilities are concerned.
NOTE 2: If you’re not familiar with all the features of MS, some of these statements from him might need clarifications so look for some notes from me in italics
Begin reader-provided Magic Submitter review (on experiences using the software)
dan, here’s some background on my approach to Magic Submitter.
With Magic Submitter you have the ability to add sites to the software to increase your spread of articles distribution and link juice self-generation
1. i have zero interest in fixing or adding sites. it’s a cool
feature, but realistically of low value. although i’m a programmer by
trade, the $67/month fee should cover MS adding and fixing sites, not
me doing it. it may have some utility in adding specialized sites,
but i cannot comment on whether MS or Sick is better for that.
2. Magic Submitter platform is relatively UNstable compared with other IM tools i
use. the MS reviews all say how it’s improved in the past year, which
is undoubtedly true, but most users are like me and only want results,
we don’t want to participate in the growing pains. some of the issues
below may have been fixed or improved:
3. my main routine consists of registering accounts; submitting
wordpress/blog/article content, bookmarking and posting on statusnet
sites. then ping.
4. although it’s possible in Magic Submitter to combine links into RSS feeds and
submit, i haven’t bothered to do that yet. too much trouble in MS.
just an aside, but your site comment about Linklicious being something
you can do for free is equally applicable to 100% of IM software.
5. Magic Submitter registering accounts: relatively painful. too many fields are
required. tab key takes you to random fields. the training session
advises (correctly) to make sure that your user demographics and email
match. but the registration does not allow you to choose your
country, it picks one randomly. it then creates a yahoo.UK email
address. i suspect most customers are US based, not UK based. some of
this may have been fixed, but i now just shove my user data into the
database directly via sqlite tools.
6. submitting WP / blog / articles: seems OK here. lots of failures,
which is typical for unattended operation, but does get some content
posted. unfortunately, the sites with the highest PR seem to have the
highest failure rates.
7. bookmarking: good variety and breadth of bookmark sites.
unattended operation seems to work pretty well here, meaning 10-50%
submission rates.
8. statusnet posting. good variety, unattended operation yields
40-70% submission rates. not sure how effective statusnet is but you
rarely see that ability in IM software. Sick core version does not
have it, but there’s an addon for it.
9. pinging. incredibly painful. this should be built in to every
submission. requiring a second set of multiple steps is just stupid.
10. RSS feeds: i find Magic’s process and instructions confusing,
which is one reason I’m looking at Linklicious. Plus I have a few
million pages I’d like to ping.
11. Scheduler: I used it when it first came out. Tremendous concept
but fatally flawed execution. I ended up pulling out a gun and trying
to decide whether to shoot myself in the head, or the Scheduler in the
screen. Opted for the Scheduler. Last few upgrades have announced
“improved” and “more stable” but I no longer use it, I have a
workaround.
11. Platform and UI overall is very mediocre. When I started a few
months ago, it was a D, now it’s a C. The tab key, arrow key, and
many other shortcuts are simply not supported. The click area often
does not correspond perfectly to the button or checkbox. When
selecting individual rows of sites, the mouse sometimes “loses” itself
and nothing happens.
12. Stability. Few outright crashes, few apparent memory leaks. On
the minus side, it frequently “forgets” critical settings like my
Bypasscaptcha key, proxies i’ve entered, and my license key.
Extremely annoying!
13. Resources: IMO much more intensive than other multi-threaded
programs. They need an “invisible” option like Sick has, at the very
least.
14. Updates: Frequent, which is good. But they require multiple steps
for updating the software and then multiple steps for updating the
database. Annoying.
15. Free webex Training. Good Beginner training session. Have not
heard of advanced training which I need. Also, during training,
submitted several bug-related or limitation questions which were
ignored. But the training is still a big plus.
End reader-provided Magic Submitter review (on experiences using the software)
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Dan,
Whats happening in your world mate?
Ok, so we’re mid may – and we’ve had virtually no reviews from you since February. I used to be a twice weekly reader of this blog, then weekly, and now after checking back a bunch of times and seeing no updates after your “Donate to kids with cancer charity”, now a couple of user submitted posts, have you abandoned this blog?
The algo updates; linkfarmer and panda hit a lot of IM’s hard, and seems like a most of the knowledge out there talks about on-site stuff being where the answer is at.
I know from my experiences running a number of different campaigns – the link pyramid strategy (profile -> article -> web 2 -> money site) and whatever other combo I’ve been working with has been devalued – some to a point of really damaging my rankings – others to a point of only losing a spot or two. Some of my other sites have seen a ranking boost..
There’s no doubt that there’s been a bit of a shakeup – but I’d love read more of your ideas and results on your link building strategies. I’ve always used your affiliate link where I’ve read about a product from your blog.
Perhaps I can share some of my findings:
BMR – lost effectiveness in anything above a low competition keyword. Once BMR was capable of placing a relevant page of a themed site within the top ten results for even a moderate competition keyword. I’ve thrown over 120 posts at a particular keyword and only have seen it reach page 2, where once even more competitive keywords would get page one with the same investment. This is across multiple tests – not just one.
UAW – even by using BLG to backlink the hell out of successful UAW posts, I’m seeing minimal effects to google rankings across multiple sites, under multiple site models, using highly spun articles. I’m seeing the index rate report in scrapebox very low – and even by bombarding articles with links, still, google refuses to index many articles.
Linxboss – I cut my linxboss subscription in march, after seeing a dramatic decline in positions throughout multiple sites in my linxboss account after the panda update (on different ips, and different site models).
AMR – I’m seeing a much lower index rate – and less effects, even after backlinking successful submissions through BLG. As this model pretty much relys on quantity of links indexed, rather than power of domain or link page – thats a big issue.
I AM seeing very very good (better than pre-panda/linkfarmer) results from a few methods, and have pretty much focussed most of my effort on these methods lately. They are not really automated “programs”, but more strategies, relying on updated factors on the money site – and a fairly heavy investment on building links of particular types that could never be built through “spun article distribution (ala UAW)” or “post snippet posting (ala BMR)” type programs.
Have you come to the conclusion that automated link building programs are nearing their useby date?
Many web 2s have been devalued… squidoo, hubpages, eza and many more – and if you’ve got shitty links pointing to these that have been devalued aswell (AMR, UAW etc) then you’re going to have seen a drop (well, i have at least
.
Would love to read more of your thoughts and experiments Dan, no offense, but this review doesn’t really cut the mustard for me as far as getting my brain ticking…
Just hope you haven’t given into the man and got yourself a J O B!
Take care,
J
Hey J, thanks for keeping me real here, since I haven’t posted in a while I thought I’d give what I thought was some decent feedback from readers of this site, hence the Magic Submitter post and the Submit Your Article review I had done at my expense, but I’ve been so training for the marathon that I didn’t have time to document stuff to do for my own sites, except for some texts noted below.
Do these automated link building services still work, yes.
Do they need to be used differently now that the algo changes have taken effect? Yes, undoubtedly so, but not many people realize it because they’re afraid to take these services OFF their sites because just to see if their content is really what’s doing the trick for them.
Do high PR links work still? Yes
Do web 2.0s create valuable links still? Yes, but not as much as they used to, only because they’re ranking lower now therefore not providing traffic generating links
Is link variety, link sources, social media links, on site content and site structure more important nowadays? Yes, I think so, but there’s plenty of examples where this is not the case, but the algos and search engines aren’t perfect….
Can you rank a site just with Facebook Likes? Yes, but I only have anecdotal references on this, but from a well known blackhatter
Can new sites rank with just good content and a few links? Yes
Does duplicate content on your site matter? Yes, so copyscape your sites and delete or rewrite anything that’s been scraped then re-link it ASAP
Are backlinks still important, yes but it seems as if content is the key to ranking well now, more content, revised content, and backlinks are useful for “protecting” the content, meaning that you wanna ensure that your content new or old is seen as the “first server” or “original server” of that content, so when it does get scraped by others, it doesn’t affect your site that much, or at all.
Duplicate content filters, issues – spin stuff all you want but one spun article, no matter how well spun, is only going to get you 30 indexed urls/backlinks,
Build larger sites? Yes, because spiders love that, and the more they come back they more stuff they find on your site that they like better. I’ve revived a dead-ish 7 yeard old PR site with new content lately and it seems to rank the new stuff ok but not as well as I would fantasize about (#13 in serps for kws with lots of competing pages, not other site vying for rankings, decent kw volume search).
What about micro-niche sites are they dead, can they rank with thin content? Again, anecdotal reference from people I know who definitely know their SEO say that this can still be done, but they’re not saying how and why they are maintaining their thin site microniche rankings. But SEO is a long term strategy, and to me long-term is synonymous with building larger sites since the common denominator seems to be that larger sites prevail in the serps over and over again.
What about the authority sites that got whacked, and outed, like JC Penny and several others suffering from “Black Ops SEO”, why are these authority sites getting hurt? Because they got their inbound link profiles outed, and in some case they used borrowed content, kind o flike when a person runs an amazon review site and uses a plugin to automatically populate their sites with user reviews from amazon instead of writing unique content.
Some tests I’ve been running post
EMD case study post
LSI experience, case study post
I am on page 2 for a keyword. How do I get to page 1? Should I submit more articles for that keyword through article marketing robot and article ranks? Or should I build some web 2.0 properties using SEO Link Robot or Backlinks Genie and blast these with links from mega link blaster?
Magic submitter worked fine until the algo change. It is now less effective.
Any software you use and other people use leave a footprint that Google can see, once they see enough people with the same type of footprint, then they can do a new algo change that affects everyone with the same footprint.
I am not saying don’t build links, but think about how links are being built to your site(s) before you spend money to join one f the link factories.
Hi Daniel, I have just found this site today, and I have to say thank you, since I have learned a LOT from this site, content here is really useful!
However, there is something you commented wich left me a little bit confused:
“Can you rank a site just with Facebook Likes? Yes, but I only have anecdotal references on this, but from a well known blackhatter”
Is it possible to rank a website using Facebook Likes? So Facebook likes do play a role in SEO? Are the improvements significant?
Could you please explain me this new method of ranking via Facebook likes?
Thanks,
Fran
Daniel does do an awesome job!
Do you know what “blackhatter” means? Also, as you quote, Daniel said “anecdotal” evidence, why do something before you know it works.
Also, if you don’t understand the consequences of doing black hat, why do them?
Facebook likes and +1 likes should be a bit easier for Google to determine if they are “fake” or “un-natural” stay away from “black hatting” this one!
I have the same issue Dan.
Points 5 and 6 are the killer for me. After all that is the “raison d etre” of this software. THe forums, though helpful, are full of comments such as “Yes – it doesn’t work – but we give you the ability to fix it yourself, so why are you moaning”
I program (quite a bit) but have no inclination to buy a subscription product that needs this much end-user maintenance on a day by day basis.
research topic/write content/click button/drink coffee.
The idea is, I do parts one and 2 of the above, then watch part 3 occur automatically as I partake in a hot mug of part 4.
I write content fast, and having to fix wordpress, blogger et al every day takes longer than it does to write an article.
At the very least Aleks should ensure the top 10 sites are 100% up to date and checked daily.
For Wordpress, livejournal and squidoo etc to fail as often as they do is just not acceptable in a commercial and subscription product.
That’s my take anyway.
With a process in place I can make 5 sites in 25 minutes anyway. THe whole (not content but full set up).
UNless you are making dozens of sites a day, that would probably be quicker for most people. Making just 40-50 WEB2 sites a week and having to update the sign up and submission process for the main sites on an almost daily basis will end up taking longr than just logging in and making them by hand.
I reckon of you make 100+ sites a week (so the ratio of creation to maintenance is stacked more towards creation) then you might just break even time wise.
Then there’s the whole issue of one post, minimum bio and none customized WEB 2 sites being deleted by the admins or ignored by the SE’s anyway even once you have gone to all that hassle.
One/two post sites for SEO purposes is very “2009″ IMO, andf I think in Googles opinion as well.
Paul, it sounds like your using Magic submitter to simply create accounts for you. Seems like a waste of money. Remember that is the quality of the links not the quantity any more. If you have a high quantity of high quality links that is fine, but Magic Submitter only really works for quantity not quality.
Hi Dan,
are you still around? Hope everything is ok? Not a lot of activities on your site during the last months?
Cheers
Dan
Here is an example from MS: I run 238 unique bookmarking sites using 10 different profiles and recieve one or two indexed bookmarks after a months time. Each is pinged automatically by MS and each is included in an RSS feed which is distributed and pinged automatically. This is not an effective use of $67/mo. Also, after more than a 1000 article submissions to various WP blogs and article sites, I am showing a grand total of zero indexed back links using this software that automatically pings and generates/distributes and pings RSS feeds.
I have been using Magic Submitter for several months now and I am not getting my monies worth, I would like for someone to direct me to some good MS training