SocialAdr review- I used it for 3 months, got the Lazy Linkaholic membership level
It did what it claims to do, it got bookmarks, and Tweets and Re-Tweets and the like…
Good for indexing content right away, doesn’t do much for rankings.
Looking back on things now, post-Panda… Synnd looks better and better because it worked and did send a lot of traffic (Synnd did).
I used SocialAdr primarily on a domain that was 6 months old at the time. I used it on all the content on the site, and when a certain url reached its maximum promotion credits level, I posted new content then turned the ahem..”firepower” on for the new content.
It mainly helped in getting stuff indexed, but the new posts were getting indexed anyway, on their own due to good spidering activity due to frequent posting of new content.
I know this isn’t a full-fledged detailed review like you might expect from this site, but there really isn’t much to say here, except that it didn’t help with rankings, but did help with solidifying the indexation of the content.
Why is solidification of indexation important?
Because….people still scrape content form other sites these days, so if at some point the search engines see your original content posted elsewhere, they’ll have to make a decision…
Who was the first server-upper/publisher of this content?
And if you have solid indexation of your original content due to getting backlinks and social signals to your stuff, then it helps in the long run. nothing is worse that having to rewrite your own original content that’s deemed as duplicate content because the search engines cannot accurately ascertain whose content it really is, so that’s why you really need to get everything on your sites linked up (if it’s a non authoritative kind of site, like new sites are deemed…
SocialAdr review- from my comments reply below:
I would suggest against using this service at all, maybe I should have been more clear. You could buy stuff off BH world or some marketing forums to get massive indexation via social bookmarks and what-not. Indexed via forum profiles, massive pinging, crawling, bookmarks, tweets, likes…in my opinion it doesn’t matter what you use to get a url or 20..indexed.. IF the social signals being sent aren’t “of value” then you’re not really getting social signals value that so many people say are more important nowadays…
Getting crap social links doesn’t really equate to getting the “social signals” we think we want to get, and that’s really just an opinion of mine not backed up by tons of tests… Synnd moves sites with social signals, Social Adr doesn’t, with the difference being in the quality of the accounts sending the tweets and stuff
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Thanks Dan,
Short, sweet and to the point.
I’m also testing SocialAdr btw, seen a position or two movement upward (from 10 to 9 say) for medium-low competition terms, but nothing significant
Hi Duncan thanks for the comment and feedback. Good luck with it,
Dan
I have used Social Adr as well, by itself it is decent at helping sites, articles/posts, etc get indexed. But if you are trying to diversify your links it can be part of an overall package.
You said synnd generated traffic I am interested to hear more.
I’ve used SocialADR for a few months as well, mainly just to throw another type of link into the mix. Happy with what it does but don’t really expect massive ranking results from this alone.
Dan, it almost sounds like you would suggest SocialAdr to get a site or url indexed, am I right in thinking that is what you suggest?
I would suggest against using this service at all, maybe I should have been more clear. You could buy stuff off BH world or some marketing forums to get massive indexation via social bookmarks and what-not. Indexed via forum profiles, massive pinging, crawling, bookmarks, tweets, likes…in my opinion it doesn’t matter what you use to get a url or 20..indexed.. IF the social signals being sent aren’t “of value” then you’re not really getting social signals value that so many people say are more important nowadays…
Getting crap social links doesn’t really equate to getting the “social signals” we think we want to get, and that’s really just an opinion of mine not backed up by tons of tests… Synnd moves sites with social signals, Social Adr doesn’t, with the difference being in the quality of the accounts sending the tweets and stuff
For same amount of money/month (almost) I/you/we could have Synnd elite/enterprise level membership, which has shown to improve rankings in the past.
Quick update on synnd test… url/kw was page 4 for tough kw, went to top of page 2 2-3 days after Synnd started, then disappeared entirely for about a week then rebounded back to middle of page 3
Hey Dan, could you please do an update on synnd? Last time you were quite anti-synnd and I re-read your post. None of the test kw’s moved up, and in the test you were going for relatively easy terms…
Hi, after all the Panda algo changes, Synnd ended up looking pretty good. We tested several urls and kws but only one got the Full Monte treatment (at Synnd’s expense) and that one url is ranked #1 for 2 different keywords,phrases… Which is why I’ve been doing another test of their system, review coming out in about 4 weeks, though… gotta be thorough
I’d definitely like to know what exactly you did with Synnd. I just signed up and I’m starting off with just bookmarking. Is it mandatory for me to do the +1, Facebook, Social News and Twitter stuff also?
Seems like a lot more work.
Hi Dan, one more question – you seem to be using the SEO Super Comments plugin, or some other plugin that gives each comment its own page. Do you recommend it, does it help? I’m adding a bunch of plugins to one of my money sites and I’m worried about plugin overload
If you get a lot of comments on your sit,e it’s not bad.
Does it help, if used on a site with a lot of comments?
Look at the following stat in your Cpanel, AWSTATS, # of keywords site is found for. Did it increase much when plugin was put into play, and was that traffic targeted?
Also, please keep in mind that Google and other search engines do NOT value indexed tags pages as quality content pages, therefore they probably assign the same judgment towards indexed comments pages, comments…
I was actually thinking of removing it form my site since I got hit with a malicious comment spam attack recently, and I don’t want to encourage any more spammers, which is why you don’t want to make your site DoFollow with comments, nor use CommentLuv or TopComments, or anything that encourages people to leave comments when they otherwise wouldn’t… just my opinion there, but clearing out comment Spam takes up time you never get back , and if you did make your site DoFollow, and DID things to encourage comments, then some Spam links will slip through, and now your site is linking out to Spam/BAD sites…. hurting your site in the long run…
Hmm. Thanks for the detailed reply, Dan. I haven’t installed it on my site yet, so I won’t be able to compare stats.
I’m trying to build a more “community oriented site” which means encouraging comments. GASP does a really good job of keeping bot spammers at bay, and I have a relatively strict comment policy. I’ve already nixed the idea of comment-luv type plugins since they encourage IM’ers, and not the niche bloggers/readers I’m looking to attract. People can get a backlink from me if they take the time and effort to leave a good comment using a real name in the name field (and not just a keyword). I think it’s a fair trade-off for giving the impression of having an active site, and it encourages “real” comments from people without a url. I do wind up linking out to some affiliate sites in my niche, but they’re “clean” and I don’t think it’s a biggie yet.
I guess I’ll give the comment plugin a miss then, if it doesn’t add much value seo-wise. I’m thinking it’s not worth it overall, thanks for helping me decide that.
Aisha, you’re welcome. Like I said wrote before though, you might want to install it and see if it helps with long tail traffic generation.
One thing that is sort of on topic with this discussion of “quality” indexed pages (but not in alignment with topic of this post) is indexed search queries on a site.
Most people do a search on a site and the site redirects to something like a lis tof relevant posts or pages,. but with wordpress that doesn’t really work too well for some reason. It’s dispalys aren’t totally relevant, and the algo these search displays use is pretty low end and faulty, but it is another way to add to the numbe rof indexed pages on your site, make it appear larger than it is to the search engines, thereby making it seem like a more authoritative site, in its “eyes”. However, as was aforementioned… indexed tags pages, comments pages, search page listings, etc… are low quality content pages, which might help with long tail traffic generation at a site’s inception, but in long run it might not be a good idea.
However, there are times when I search for a term, whether it be long tail or not doesn’t matter… and I come across (occasionally) indexed search queries in my results, and searches.
So what I’m really recommending here, is to try these things, watch your stats closely, see how sites responds to these little tweaks and if they don’t add much value then less could be more.
You are correct in trying to avoid plugin overload, use Thesis Theme which has a lot of inherent on page seo usefulness and loads pretty quickly compared to other themes, especially the free ones which give out so many OBLs via its programming and coding.
Hi Dan, I just tried out SocialAdr free service for the past 2 weeks on a few newer sites (2 to 4 months old) I’ve been working to rank locally. I was just trying to cover the social bookmark piece without having all of my own bookmarks show up on my own social bookmarking accounts or having to use proxies etc.
I hope it’s only temporary but… ALL of the websites that SocialAdr members started to bookmark in the past 2 weeks have dropped off from their pg 2 or 3 positions (that they were steadily climbing through) and as of today are now on page 10 or further?!?
Seems pretty strange that only 30 to 50 bookmarks on random account can have this much of a negative effect but that is the only the only consistent thing I have found that spans across all of the sites that have seen this sudden and dramatic drop in rankings, and there have been no ranking changes so far to any of my sites that were not yet placed within SocailAdr for member bookmarking. (grrr)
Hi John, let it ride some more, even though it’s a service I don’t recommend. I found it to be ineffectual, so whatever, minimal effect it does have, shouldn’t be harming your sites too much… Keep it going for 1-2 months then see if things rebound. Social links can’t really be deemed as bad links, no such thing really, but there is such a thing as unseemly link velocity, but once again, these are social links we’re talking about here, with inherently minimal ranking power and/or effects, at least that’s how I deem SocialAdr type social links.
Thanks,
Dan
Regarding the review from your comments.
“Getting crap social links doesn’t really equate to getting the “social signals” we think we want to get, and that’s really just an opinion of mine not backed up by tons of tests… Synnd moves sites with social signals”
My reply here is mainly regarding the first statement that crap social links doesn’t equate to getting the social signals we need…
Folllowed by synnd moves sites with social signals.
I’ve used both of these services and if you want my opinion they are both for the most part crappy and spammy links.
I don’t see how you would say send is any better quality of a link. Their system tweets and bookmarks with crappy spammy puppet accounts.
Just sayin if you think social adr is crap links or crap “social signals” then synnd is the same or maybe worse.
I’ve tested both of these services for several months and that’s my 2 cents.
Gerald, good points and questions
I ASSUMED there was a difference in the quality of the links because Synnd moved urls for me and social adr didn’t.
Synnd drove traffic to those urls tested
SocialAdr didn’t, (not really..)
Socailadr traffic didn’t stay long, page views and time on site stats went down)
Synnd traffic did
So I made a big assumption that Synnd social traffic was better based on those things.
Questions for YOU, Homeslice…
How many SEO social communities are you going to make?
Is your Skype broken?
Thanks bud,
Dan
P.S. Synnd’s interface I don’t like very much, I had a few issues with it, one anomaly and one mistake on my part for not watching a training video about setting up a campaign, but we’re going on the third month of the re-test and it’s slowly coming around for the tested urls
I also found Synnd to be quite buggy.
I really did have high hopes for Syynd. I was really excited when I signed up etc.
When you say traffic from syynd are you talking about traffic as a resutls of increase in SERP rankings or increase in traffic from the social accounts? If it’s the latter I can tell you that traffic has no value because as I stated they are pupped accounts and there are REAL humans behind those account.
I do applaud syynd for their creativity and innovation because a lot of creativity and innovation went into their system, but the end results as far as I see is not that great.
Let me know how your further testing goes. I would be interested to hear.
My skype isn’t broken and I’m almost always reachable on Skype. Did you have trouble trying to reach me? If so just shoot me an email gerald at myseocommunity.com
Regarding the SEO communities questions. LOL
Well I stepped down from SERPd, I gave that model a good year and I feel that the current model (at least for the SEO niche) wasn’t working well. Mainly the “content free for all” resulted in a lot of low quality content and that doesn’t keep people coming back to the site.
The new site community has a new vision with a focus on “quality” and instead of voting we are using “social signals”‘ to determine what moves from upcoming to the home page. After all “social signals” are the way the industry is moving.
I will elaborate more on this in a blog post in the near future, but in the meantime if you’d like to know more simply hit me up on Skype of email me.
Talk to you soon broham.
Whoops correction. I meant to say.
“If it’s the latter I can tell you that traffic has no value because as I stated they are puppet accounts and there are no REAL humans behind those account. “
Again, good questions..
to be clear on how I arrived at the theory that the Synnd traffic is OK.
Page Views went up on site overall, the url being bookmarked is one of the heavier trafficked urls on the site, and usually non-targeted social traffic drives page views down… The url is for a competitive term, it has received an uptick in organic traffic since rankings are in the page 3 realm still…
If I’m wrong here, then I’ll gladly be wrong and tell people, because I’m paying 197/month to conduct this test, and while traffic has increased, the ROI isn’t there.
But compared to SocialAdr I see Synnd as being better for reasons mentioned above in comments and post itself..
If I’m wrong here, mistaken, misguided, whatever…. then I will look for another solution…
Social traffic leads to traffic Spurts, and Surges
And Signals just give good all around presence.
Gerald, I know you’re a BIG social media guy… so I assume you’re on board (now more so than ever…) that social signals are a key factor now for rankings?
IMO, I say use them as needed, IF needed…
We could make this a running conversation on Skype if you want, and post it all here on this site, like a hybrid interview, conversation, article kind of thing..
Thanks,
Dan
Yes of course I’m sold on the importance of “social signals”.
In fact the new SEO community is using “social signals” to determine what content moves from upcoming to the home page.
What I’m saying is I’m just not sold on Synnd.
I tested their service for about 3 months. I’d say my biggest concern again was the fact that when you would setup a Twitter campaign you’d get a bunch of retweets from accounts with no bio, no avatar and were only tweeting (not following anyone)
This type of report looked incredibly spam like to me. Then when I did a “social news” campaign all the digg accounts were the same (no avatar)j
Now when you to see who dugg it’s easy to see a bunch of puppet accounts digging the story.
I’m all for automation making life easier for us, but this just looked to spammy for my tastes. it could potentially make me lose credibility with clients.
As far as the rankings I didn’t see much increase in those either. So I guess I’m saying that for me, the risk of appearing spammy (especially to clients) doesn’t outweigh potential (if any) benefit.
That’s just my experience. I think it makes more sense for me to just get real tweets, Facebook likes, stumbles etc.
Hey Gerald, thanks for replying back, so nice to have a discussion with some one who might have an opposing viewpoint without being flamed on it… good on ya/us!
I did some digging, more than before, and you are correct, in that there are some “fake” accounts giving up these tweets and stuff.
Just like SocialAdr and Bookmarking Demon are fake accounts, too.
Traffic quality- I still see better traffic from Synnd versus SocilAdr, based solely on time spent on site stats, so why would fake accounts form Synnd be better traffic than fake traffic from SocialAdr?
My only guess/hypothesis is… since I’m getting more VOLUME from Synnd, every now and then, or more frequently than not, I’m getting hit by truly targeted traffic and that drives the stats up.
So, it’s the volume and further spread that’s making the difference for me b/n Synnd and SocialAdr.
I’m not ga-ga over Synnd either, I want to be clear on that… just testing
Frankly speaking, I know social will play a more important role in the future and I’m looking, reviewing, researching for services/a service that will drive relevant social traffic and “signals”…
Automated of course, or just completely outsource-able….
I think it’s time for that long overdue interview G man
Feliz Ano Nuevo!
and like you I’m all for testing out stuff.
Sure thing man an interview would be swell.
Talk to you soon!
Feliz Ano Nuevo!
I just recently stumbled across social adr but it seems like in your review it doesn’t seem all that great.
I may though try out that Synnd that you suggested.
Thanks for the review.
Thanks so much for giving an authentic review. It’s so rare I ever see anyone recommend against using something. Your credibility goes way up with me.
I recommend against using socialadr! It is a great tool, but the submission limit is complete bullshit. What good is it if I can’t run it for a longer time when the limit is reached? They have a solution…shell out more money. No thanks. I’m already paying $47/month. I prefer to leave negative reviews.