You can go here to read my original review on The Link Juicer if this is the first you’ve heard of it. You will be directed back to this post from that one so start from the beginning if you’re looking for a detailed review on The Link Juicer.
Results?:
Yes, I have seen results once I stopped messing things up…
I took a fairly new website I’ve been working on and published an AmeriPlan review on that site. This is a really old MLM program, therefore there’s ton of competing sites and overall general SEO competition for this term. There’s EzineArticles.com, authority websites, forums, pres release etc… to compete with here so I figured I’d write a review on it since I knew for sure it wouldn’t see page 1 without some serious help.
After I wrote the review I saw it reach it’s settling point on page 7 or 8. Once I had a baseline for the test (ranked page 7-8 and mot varying much) I went and used The Link Juicer to get backlinks to it…
At first, The Link Juicer moved me up to page 5 due to the backlinks that first hit that URL, but then it settled again.
Why did the results stop all of a sudden?
Because I meseed up when using The Link Juicer and thought I had to max out at 50 campaigns in order to test the service out fully. If you set all your campaigns to 10 links a day and you have 50 campaigns going then you’re NOT going to see 10 links a day per campaign because there’s a set number of links/day that us end users can get with certain membership account levels
This is an important point here and one that TLJ’s admin needs to make a lot clearer in the user guidelines…
So…
After the admin was nice enough to evaluate my campaigns, he told me to scale down the # of links/day/each campaign because it would make results a lot slower and harder to get. And once I reduced all my campaigns to minimum of 3 links a day, I actually started getting 3 links a day, whereas when I had all 30-40 something of my campaigns set to 10/day I was only getting like 1/day for each campaign.
Hope this isn’t confusing you here…
Once my camapigns were “fixed”, I actually went ahead and disabled some of them to ensure there were less active campaigns and to also enable me to scale up the # of links/day frequency on any campaign if I wanted to, when I wanted to.
Right now my AmeriPlan review has reached a solid Page 2 ranking. It hasn’t jumped back to page 3 in a while now and it seems to be moving up page 2 very slowly now.
Possible downsides to The Link Juicer
TLJ offers easily obtained NoFollow social bookmarking links mixed in with some links from ebook sites and blogs so you only get 3 types of links here which is actually pretty decent but the quality of the links aren’t of top quality!.
So why am I recommending it?
1- Even though the quality of the links aren’t superb, they’re numerous, steady and automatically obtained
2- It works, if you use their system properly. Please don’t make the mistake I made and try to get 50 campaigns going at 10 links/day.
# 3 -Number 3 reason to use The Link Juicer
This is really my main reason for recommending this service so here goes…
Do you have more than 50 money pages you’re promoting in your business?
Most people don’t so if you’re promoting 50 different affiliate products via 50 different product reviews then you need to get them all highly ranked on autopilot to crank in more sales, right?
But like I said not may people have 50 money pages…
But if you did have 50 or even 100 money pages, check this out!!!
With TLJ you can disable some accounts…
So you can and should disable a campaign once it reaches page 1 in top 3 position to allow TLJ towork even harder on your other sites. So you increase the frequency of those links too, until those other pages get highly ranked..
Here’s the beauty of all this and the main reason why I’ll keep this service for a long time:
What happens if you start slipping in the SERPS for a certain term?
Log into TLB, RE-enable an account with one click of a button and start getting those rankings back again. TLJ saves all your meta tags, descriptions and content for getting backlinks to certain campaigns, so all you have to do to protect/maintain your former or current top rankings is to re-enable a campaign if things start slipping.
This is sweet stuff, and I recommend this for people who have less than 30 sites, and less than 30 money pages
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Dan,
Thanks for the great review, and for the heads up. I will be sure to clarify the number of links/number of campaigns issue. I have had quite a few queries along these lines, and although I have tried to clarify, the guidelines could do with some improvement, as you say.
Cheers,
Peter Adamson
Admin, The Link Juicer
Pter, you’re welcome, I almost forgot your name because every email I’ve received from you was Admin, Admin, Admin.
You have a good service here as it is and I’m looking forward to the changes/feature additions you’re going to be adding in…
Thanks,
Dan
P.S. Peter had the “stones” to ask me to review his link building service after reading my other reviews, so he had to be pretty confident about it to do that, fyi
I think the service would be better if the owner allowed users to add their own WordPress MU blogs instead of just the one blog they provided. That should be very easy to include. I would also require several spun blurbs instead of just the one.
David, I agree, and that’s part of what he’s working on and is one of the features he’s adding in that I alluded to earlier.
Good point..
Okay, this is reaching here. I was brainstorming on how to make this service better. How about the owner writes a hook for LFE to pull blurbs. I know I am looking for ways to camouflage my blog posts and this would work nicely. Maybe allow The Link Juicer members to opt out? Just a thought.
Yup sort of what I was thinking…
He’s doing something ( I think) that rivals what LFE does, but its more automated and more user-friendly.
He’s form the UK I think so its tough to get him on Skype to start giving him ideas, but I’d like something that does what LFE does, but we don’t have to build new sites from scratch, and instead, build on top of existing sites, or just add snippets to them like you mentioned earlier…
What drives me nuts is there’s guy like Peter with his service, and there’s LFE, and YACG, and even Traffic Bug…all doing different things, and a monster service could be achieved if some of these services were merged together.
Kind of like what SE Nuke is capable of, but those links aren’t THAT valuable when you’re getting them from sites you’ve built from scratch, know what I mean?
I have an account at TLJ, though I have only set up two campaigns so far.
I couldn’t be happier. This works very well for these micro niche sites, all built and optimized around one keyword.
For my first keyword, I’m now #9 on Google, and rising slowly. I haven’t done anything else BUT setting up this campaign.
For my second keyword, on a different domain, I had already done things on that site and I think I am sandboxed. Still, I left the campaign on just to see how it goes.
Best,
Diogo
Diogo, since you’re doing microniches then TLJ is scalable for you since microniches really don’t need a lot of links, and you can keep adding to what you’re building for sites.
And like I mentioned earlier you can turns things on and off as you know to keep links coming in, and even dictate the pace at which they come in.
No matter the quality of links, I love the idea of push button link building
Hi Diogo
First of all I would like to say I am not bashing The Link Juicer. I think it *will* be a fantastic product. However, in my opinion, the return on investment is not quite there yet for this service.
By micro niche site, I assume you mean that your site is targeting an uncompetitive long tail keyword phrase perhaps receiving a few hundred searches a month. Here is my opinion on this. If you would have built this site and pinged it, logged into a few of your social bookmarking accounts and manually added your new site to them and then maybe did a blog comment or two on a do follow blog – your results would have been the same. Try it on a similar niche and see what happens. The reason many marketers choose these type of “micro niche” keywords is that little to no promotion is necessary on them to rank enough to receive traffic – allowing them to continue on to the next low competition keyword.
The problem with The Link Juicer as I see it is link strength and IP diversity. How strong do you believe mostly no-follow social bookmarking links to be? If you are thinking little to none I would agree with you. I use SB links only to try and get URLs I want noticed by Google picked up. That’s it. Your mileage may vary however, in my opinion, if you are using SB sites for link building you are wasting your time that could be better spent on more productive link building methods.
Now on to IP diversity. The search engines give less and less weight to each link from the same IP (It’s more complicated than this but trust me they do). So now, not only the links were very weak to begin with they are from the same handful of IP addresses losing what little link juice they had with each link to your site. Eventually, they are worth nothing.
Now are these links worth the monthly membership fee? That’s a business decision for the site owner to make. The Link Juicer does what they say it will do but is it really helping?
Diogo, it is highly unlikely you have been sandboxed. There is nothing you can do to harm your site off page. This sounds like the Google Dance to me.
David, good comment and a lot of good points here. When I look at a service I ascertainwhat kind of links we’re getting
SB links are lightweight nofollow links and always will be lightweight, which is why they’re easy to get and is kind of a numbers game there.
Regarding the “law of diminishing returns” with repeated backlinks from same IP addresses and sources, also quite true, The value of backlinks from repeated sources lessens with each subsequent link, I have seen this.
As you know TLJ also does something whereby they take your blog post and turn it into an ebook to get a link from places similar to sribd, which is new, automated and “cool”, but what’s the value of a link from an ebook site, is it dofollow nofollow etc…?
But from a business standpoint, $47.00/month is good value here since it saves you a lot of time from doing the SB linking yourself, and its continual linking not one-time mass SB link building like SB demon or other standalone tools.
Like you, I wasn’t thrilled about the minimal blog creations and minimal posting to blogs that I saw because that’s really the only way you’d be able to see the multiple IP diversity spread.
But with any link building service you will run into the issue of Finite sources to get backlinks from, right?
XRUMER can get you thousands of backlinks in one fell swoop but the quality of those links are poor, too.
Blog commenting has some value to it, has better inherent sources for diversity but most QUALITY blogs are nofollow and most QUALITY blog owners disallow anchor-texy-keywords for blog ocmmenters’ “names” and those comment links are almost equivalent to footer links or links you’d get from places like 3waylinks.net or even my ALB.
So it’s very easy to knock any service because they all have limitations, and SEO LINKPRO seemed like it owuld have been the ultimate link building tool if it worked well, because it had everything I wanted in a tool.
Diversity, automation, etc…
Services like UAW promise a wide diversity of link sources and they add more directories and sites every week or month which makes them pretty good.
BLS has a lot less sources but the links are way better (when their system is working properly and not going through some overhauls) despite the fact their IP diversity is way less.
MAN has a lot of blogs in their network, hence good diversity but sites in that network are of poor quality usually.
Sometimes I will judge a service based on what it claims to do,
and sometimes I join them anyways just to test things out for people
and sometimes I’m pleasantly surprised.
BLS, and TLC were pleasant surprises for me, despite lack of diversity in BLS and quality of links from TLC.
UAW is exactly what I expected it to be, a good service that had more diversity but more work involved in getting those links.
David,
Thanks for your input. If I understand correctly, IP diversity would be at or near the top of your list. This would be improved with user-contributed WP MU sits. A few members have asked to add WP MU sites and we are starting to do this. I plan to make it simple, so a user just logs in and there is a place to register their WP MU site.
We will need to mass create all accounts and blogs. There are various ways to do this. I have not settled the issue but it will have to be simple for the end user so as not to restrict this to technically savvy individuals. This is on my todo list.
Having users contribute their own WP MU sites has merit, in spite of the fact that the domains will not have high PR: no banned accounts, no need to use proxies so we get near 100% success rate, massive diversity of IPs, just plain larger number of links. So yes, this is definitely going to happen.
I don’t know enough about LFE to comment. How many users would know what to do with this feature? That is the main question. It may be nifty but it must benefit everyone or at least 80% of the users. Your comments are welcome.
Allowing users to submit their own WordPress MU blogs would go a long way toward solving the IP diversity problem. No, the blogs at least at first would not have PR. The only thing that could fix that is time. Let’s face it though. If someone wants Linkvana quality links, they are going to have to pay Linkvana level prices.
In my opinion it isn’t necessary to mass create blogs or accounts. The reward is the more accounts a user has on the different blogs the more links they get. Just like you are doing it now for the SB accounts. Maybe, submitting their own hosted blog is not necessary but doing so results in more links. It would probably be a good idea to discourage interlinking the blogs. Focus your SB links on the new blog posts. It would be a good idea if the blog owner did a minimum of promotion on their blog such as submitting the RSS feeds once they have a few posts. Maybe have information about this on the blog submit page.
You’re going to have to figure out how you are going to do the posts. Even if it is 30% unique it will stop getting picked up by Google at some point. This blurb then no longer gains any back links and hurts the blogs quality. Maybe limit the amount of times the blurb can be used or something.
The LFE stuff was just a suggestion. I would love it just to camouflage my blog posts but it probably wasn’t a very good idea. I was just throwing something out there.
Did you build links directly to the ameriplan review page on your website or did you direct the links from your campaign to the web 2.0 properties and article directories pointing to the ameriplan review page?
Hi Jason, not sure if I ever even tried to get links to that URL, so I don’t recall what I did there.
URL is page 3 for the term so I probably didn’t do much of anything for linking to that post.
If I wanted that to get to page 1 using TLJ, I’d write an EZA article, write a one or two page hub and lens, then use TLJ to get links to them all. The EZA, hub and lens would link to the url you referred to. Simple, straight-forward minimal link wheel set up.
If more is needed, then I’d link the hub and lens to the EZA assuming that the EZA had an anchor text-ed link to AmeriPlan review url in resource box, which is Dofollow in EZA.
Hi Daniel,
I was thinking of subscribing to the Link Juicer and I came across this review after searching for a review on it. Do you use TLJ on all of the new sites that you launch? I’ve read in several forums that a majority of the backlinks are not showing up in Yahoo Search Explorer or are simply not getting index in Google.
Have you experienced this by using TLJ? I’ve also read that results can often take several months before you start to notice visible movement in the SERPs. Also, how would you use UAW, BLS and TLJ together to promote a site? Would you just have them drip feed backlinks to the main site and also to 2.0 sites?
Thanks!
Hann
Hi Hann, good question. TLJ worked well for me for a while which is why I’d rated it so highly but after hearing some “complaints” about non-indexing of links I decided to take a look and sure enough a lot of the links aren’t getting indexed, BY THEMSLEVES… all you have to do here is ping the urls that are linking to you and perhaps social bookmark them in order to get them indexed.
How to use all BLS, TLJ and UAW all at once?
UAW for link volume to all sites’ page
BLS for inner pages until they rank well, thne move on to other inne rpages you want ranked
TLJ for links to all of those UAW and BLS-generated links
Hi Daniel,
Thanks for getting back to me. I’m not too fond of the links not getting indexed by themselves but I will follow your suggestions and create a Delicious wheel or something.
Do you also recommend using TLJ for the main site and the inner pages as well? I just feel that I need to get more variety of links as most of mine are simply from BLS, UAW and article promotion.
Thanks,
Hann
Daniel,
How much does BLS cost a month?
Thanks,
Mico
I used LinkJuicer on your recommendation when you had it listed on your “Best Link Building Services” page.
It was a total waste of money and the worst link building service I have used, and I have used a lot of different services. I ran it on a few domains, one of which was new with no other link building done, and the results were pitiful.
If you have to ping the links yourself, you may as well use software to create and ping them together. BMD has a scheduler built into it and can deliver links over time if that is what you want.
Furthermore, if the links require pinging to index, then they have no SEO value, i.e. do not have enough juice pointing at them to index, and thus no juice to pass. They will soon drop back out of the index. A ping does not give you juice / keep pages in the SERP.
IMHO you are much better off with a subscription on an article distribution network and a copy of BMD.
As for hands off solutions… I just signed up for LinxBoss again using your aff link, it certainly looks the part, professional interface and the L4L feature looks good. Only criticism so far is overly long repetitive training videos. As before I have one new domain in there as a tester, will be very interested to see what that thing delivers.
Jez, it’s not often that something I recommend turns out to be a lame duck so to speak but yes, it seems to have occurred with TLJ, for now. I know Peter has implemented stuff to make spinning less laborious and hopefully some indexing features will be added, too so it’s not a waste of time, and not merely a service that works best when its links to its self-generated content. The reason I review mostly link building services here on this blog and not tools, is because most of these services are run by programmers who DO have the ability to incorporate added features to make un-necessary the need for using additional tools to get their stuff indexed, crawled etc…
Right now indexing tools like TrackBack plugin, TwitterFeed link wheels Backlink Energizer, BIE etc…can get stuff indexed and linked to pretty easily so there’s really no excuse for running a service with poor indexing rates for self-generated content.
TLJ gives you a file with all your self-generated links, so if you take that and push that lis to furls through Backlinks Energizer for example, then you’ll not be wasting your time.
I recently gave TLJ another go, along with some Syndicate Kahuna linking and pushed a URL from #5 to #3 for a term (in last 5-6 days) so it could have been Syndicate Kahuna that did that, or TLJ and SK, who knows, but I will do some more tests with TLJ in the near future by combining TLJ urls with an indexing tool to see how well INDEXED links form TLJ work towards getting sites ranked.
Thanks for your continued belief in my reviews, it kinda hurts me inside when something I recommend turns out to be a dud, albeit temporarily or permanently.
Dan
@mico, BLS is $97 for full network or was when I signed up.
Thanks for the detailed reply.
I always test services with one new domain with no links as a benchmark.
With TLJ I promoted 5 sites with it.
At the end of 3 months, I think that new site showed maybe 10 Yahoo links from splog posts.
I know you can download the list of URL’s and backlink them to index, but if you have to do that then the service is not worth paying for.
You can get multitudes of non indexing links from a myriad of sources for next to nothing.
If you are subscribing to a monthly service then you are essentially paying for access to their sites / network or technology. Unless that has some kind of USP / gives a competitive advantage then what are you paying for?
Anyway, nothing ventured nothing gained. I always try new serivces out, its the only way to find out for sure what works.
I see linxBoss getting a lot of bad press in forums at the moment, but there is only one way to find out for sure if something is any good and that is to try it for yourself… for all I know, you may be plugging LinxBoss purely for the payout (I dont think you are btw
), on the other hand, the negative reviews may come sock puppets controlled by competitors… you have to test for better or worse!