12 Comments on The Link Juicer – Recommended?

Peter Adamson on Sun, 1st Nov 2009 5:10 pm


Dan,

Thanks for the great review, and for the heads up. I will be sure to clarify the number of links/number of campaigns issue. I have had quite a few queries along these lines, and although I have tried to clarify, the guidelines could do with some improvement, as you say.

Cheers,
Peter Adamson
Admin, The Link Juicer

Daniel McGonagle on Sun, 1st Nov 2009 6:05 pm


Pter, you’re welcome, I almost forgot your name because every email I’ve received from you was Admin, Admin, Admin.

You have a good service here as it is and I’m looking forward to the changes/feature additions you’re going to be adding in…

Thanks,

Dan

P.S. Peter had the “stones” to ask me to review his link building service after reading my other reviews, so he had to be pretty confident about it to do that, fyi

David N on Sun, 1st Nov 2009 6:53 pm


I think the service would be better if the owner allowed users to add their own WordPress MU blogs instead of just the one blog they provided. That should be very easy to include. I would also require several spun blurbs instead of just the one.

Daniel McGonagle on Sun, 1st Nov 2009 8:01 pm


David, I agree, and that’s part of what he’s working on and is one of the features he’s adding in that I alluded to earlier.

Good point..

David N on Sun, 1st Nov 2009 8:20 pm


Okay, this is reaching here. I was brainstorming on how to make this service better. How about the owner writes a hook for LFE to pull blurbs. I know I am looking for ways to camouflage my blog posts and this would work nicely. Maybe allow The Link Juicer members to opt out? Just a thought.

Daniel McGonagle on Sun, 1st Nov 2009 8:31 pm


Yup sort of what I was thinking…

He’s doing something ( I think) that rivals what LFE does, but its more automated and more user-friendly.

He’s form the UK I think so its tough to get him on Skype to start giving him ideas, but I’d like something that does what LFE does, but we don’t have to build new sites from scratch, and instead, build on top of existing sites, or just add snippets to them like you mentioned earlier…

What drives me nuts is there’s guy like Peter with his service, and there’s LFE, and YACG, and even Traffic Bug…all doing different things, and a monster service could be achieved if some of these services were merged together.

Kind of like what SE Nuke is capable of, but those links aren’t THAT valuable when you’re getting them from sites you’ve built from scratch, know what I mean?

Diogo on Sun, 1st Nov 2009 11:58 pm


I have an account at TLJ, though I have only set up two campaigns so far.

I couldn’t be happier. This works very well for these micro niche sites, all built and optimized around one keyword.

For my first keyword, I’m now #9 on Google, and rising slowly. I haven’t done anything else BUT setting up this campaign.

For my second keyword, on a different domain, I had already done things on that site and I think I am sandboxed. Still, I left the campaign on just to see how it goes.

Best,
Diogo

David N on Mon, 2nd Nov 2009 2:16 am


Hi Diogo

First of all I would like to say I am not bashing The Link Juicer. I think it *will* be a fantastic product. However, in my opinion, the return on investment is not quite there yet for this service.

By micro niche site, I assume you mean that your site is targeting an uncompetitive long tail keyword phrase perhaps receiving a few hundred searches a month. Here is my opinion on this. If you would have built this site and pinged it, logged into a few of your social bookmarking accounts and manually added your new site to them and then maybe did a blog comment or two on a do follow blog – your results would have been the same. Try it on a similar niche and see what happens. The reason many marketers choose these type of “micro niche” keywords is that little to no promotion is necessary on them to rank enough to receive traffic – allowing them to continue on to the next low competition keyword.

The problem with The Link Juicer as I see it is link strength and IP diversity. How strong do you believe mostly no-follow social bookmarking links to be? If you are thinking little to none I would agree with you. I use SB links only to try and get URLs I want noticed by Google picked up. That’s it. Your mileage may vary however, in my opinion, if you are using SB sites for link building you are wasting your time that could be better spent on more productive link building methods.

Now on to IP diversity. The search engines give less and less weight to each link from the same IP (It’s more complicated than this but trust me they do). So now, not only the links were very weak to begin with they are from the same handful of IP addresses losing what little link juice they had with each link to your site. Eventually, they are worth nothing.

Now are these links worth the monthly membership fee? That’s a business decision for the site owner to make. The Link Juicer does what they say it will do but is it really helping?

Diogo, it is highly unlikely you have been sandboxed. There is nothing you can do to harm your site off page. This sounds like the Google Dance to me.

Daniel McGonagle on Mon, 2nd Nov 2009 10:29 am


Diogo, since you’re doing microniches then TLJ is scalable for you since microniches really don’t need a lot of links, and you can keep adding to what you’re building for sites.

And like I mentioned earlier you can turns things on and off as you know to keep links coming in, and even dictate the pace at which they come in.

No matter the quality of links, I love the idea of push button link building

Daniel McGonagle on Mon, 2nd Nov 2009 10:49 am


David, good comment and a lot of good points here. When I look at a service I ascertainwhat kind of links we’re getting

SB links are lightweight nofollow links and always will be lightweight, which is why they’re easy to get and is kind of a numbers game there.

Regarding the “law of diminishing returns” with repeated backlinks from same IP addresses and sources, also quite true, The value of backlinks from repeated sources lessens with each subsequent link, I have seen this.

As you know TLJ also does something whereby they take your blog post and turn it into an ebook to get a link from places similar to sribd, which is new, automated and “cool”, but what’s the value of a link from an ebook site, is it dofollow nofollow etc…?

But from a business standpoint, $47.00/month is good value here since it saves you a lot of time from doing the SB linking yourself, and its continual linking not one-time mass SB link building like SB demon or other standalone tools.

Like you, I wasn’t thrilled about the minimal blog creations and minimal posting to blogs that I saw because that’s really the only way you’d be able to see the multiple IP diversity spread.

But with any link building service you will run into the issue of Finite sources to get backlinks from, right?

XRUMER can get you thousands of backlinks in one fell swoop but the quality of those links are poor, too.

Blog commenting has some value to it, has better inherent sources for diversity but most QUALITY blogs are nofollow and most QUALITY blog owners disallow anchor-texy-keywords for blog ocmmenters’ “names” and those comment links are almost equivalent to footer links or links you’d get from places like 3waylinks.net or even my ALB.

So it’s very easy to knock any service because they all have limitations, and SEO LINKPRO seemed like it owuld have been the ultimate link building tool if it worked well, because it had everything I wanted in a tool.

Diversity, automation, etc…

Services like UAW promise a wide diversity of link sources and they add more directories and sites every week or month which makes them pretty good.

BLS has a lot less sources but the links are way better (when their system is working properly and not going through some overhauls) despite the fact their IP diversity is way less.

MAN has a lot of blogs in their network, hence good diversity but sites in that network are of poor quality usually.

Sometimes I will judge a service based on what it claims to do,
and sometimes I join them anyways just to test things out for people
and sometimes I’m pleasantly surprised.

BLS, and TLC were pleasant surprises for me, despite lack of diversity in BLS and quality of links from TLC.

UAW is exactly what I expected it to be, a good service that had more diversity but more work involved in getting those links.

Peter Adamson on Mon, 2nd Nov 2009 12:21 pm


David,

Thanks for your input. If I understand correctly, IP diversity would be at or near the top of your list. This would be improved with user-contributed WP MU sits. A few members have asked to add WP MU sites and we are starting to do this. I plan to make it simple, so a user just logs in and there is a place to register their WP MU site.

We will need to mass create all accounts and blogs. There are various ways to do this. I have not settled the issue but it will have to be simple for the end user so as not to restrict this to technically savvy individuals. This is on my todo list.

Having users contribute their own WP MU sites has merit, in spite of the fact that the domains will not have high PR: no banned accounts, no need to use proxies so we get near 100% success rate, massive diversity of IPs, just plain larger number of links. So yes, this is definitely going to happen.

I don’t know enough about LFE to comment. How many users would know what to do with this feature? That is the main question. It may be nifty but it must benefit everyone or at least 80% of the users. Your comments are welcome.

David N on Tue, 3rd Nov 2009 8:11 pm


Allowing users to submit their own WordPress MU blogs would go a long way toward solving the IP diversity problem. No, the blogs at least at first would not have PR. The only thing that could fix that is time. Let’s face it though. If someone wants Linkvana quality links, they are going to have to pay Linkvana level prices.

In my opinion it isn’t necessary to mass create blogs or accounts. The reward is the more accounts a user has on the different blogs the more links they get. Just like you are doing it now for the SB accounts. Maybe, submitting their own hosted blog is not necessary but doing so results in more links. It would probably be a good idea to discourage interlinking the blogs. Focus your SB links on the new blog posts. It would be a good idea if the blog owner did a minimum of promotion on their blog such as submitting the RSS feeds once they have a few posts. Maybe have information about this on the blog submit page.

You’re going to have to figure out how you are going to do the posts. Even if it is 30% unique it will stop getting picked up by Google at some point. This blurb then no longer gains any back links and hurts the blogs quality. Maybe limit the amount of times the blurb can be used or something.

The LFE stuff was just a suggestion. I would love it just to camouflage my blog posts but it probably wasn’t a very good idea. I was just throwing something out there.

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